Why would that happen? If I work for my own benefit and that of the people I care about, then I'm doing a heck of a lot more than the average leech.

This really. I am so sick of people who talk about the culture war and yet have not met half the people on their street nor attended a single barbecue.

Because you and your family don’t care about the collective health, then you won’t do anything about it. Well if no one cares and no one does anything about it. Shit will fall apart because no one will care when something breaks down

You are warring for a culture you do not participate in and are not a part of.

"the collective health" is such a meaningless term, you can extend it to any degree you want at will, for no reason, for any reason.

So collectives are a accumulation of individuals. If you only care about your individual self and directly around you, you don’t care about the people way over there. So if they start using drugs, or selling drugs, then the texture of life goes down.

I'm actually just wondering at which point you realize that your views are closely related to those of the SJW's

I’m wondering when you’ll actually engage with ideas instead of just attacking me.

Well I'm pointing it out for a specific reason. SJW's cry about social justice, and you do exactly the same thing. For the benefit of social justice you want the individual to bend itself over.

All I’m saying is that you should care about your church and larger community rofl, maybe your country

Well what if I already do care and you're just not noticing it because you're in your own ideological bubble and not the real world of real people?

And that pushing those things up actually benefits the individual. You make it sound like it’s a 0 sum game

Nah, you're making it sound like I'm too "individualistic" to recognize that mutual benefit is a thing.

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying, you should care because it benefits you. That this dichotomy is kinda retarded

I don't require any collectivist ideas for that.

Ok so I’m not a collectivist in your opinion then. I don’t actually know any one that is, probably Stalin

A lot of people are, typically welfare leeches and dictators can be counted to the collectivists.

Not really, why so?

Was Pinochet a collectivist?

Because they think the collective should work for their benefit instead of for their own benefit, and instead of themselves working for their own benefit. They think the collective owes them something, and they think that the collective is therefore everything that matters.

They think it's a machinery that serves them. Not actual humans with personal lives going on.

They think like they're in an ant colony or something.

BabaBooey is a great example.

SJW's are very often collectivists. Facists are collectivists. Just two sides of the same coin.

Fascists aren’t collectivists, sense they don’t necessarily believe that the group should be above the individual. Merely that they should work together. Nor do they think they’re owed something

Ok that's another hot take by you. Fascism not collectivist? That's gonna be very hard to prove for you.

Tell me where the doctrine of fascism states specifically that the group is above the individual

Fascism as an idea starts out with the premise that if the group ever were to split then the nation would fall. All individuals must be held tightly together by serving one united goal.

And that goal is the preservation of the nation itself.

It can't get much more collectivist than that.

Really? Fascism says that?

It's its basic premise. The image that is mostly used to depict fascism is a bundle of sticks tightly held together.

So fascism argues that people should form a group and work together? That’s not necessarily placing the group over the individual, merely saying that the nation should form a collective

Fascism goes way beyond telling individuals to work together. That would be fine

Fascism holds the idea that the nation is above all, as without the nation the people fall, and thus the people must become one with the nation (bundle of sticks)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Fascist_symbol.svg/500px-Fascist_symbol.svg.png

Where does it say they should become one lmao?

Because fascism says that the nation is above all.

Yeah but where rofl? And isn’t the nation merely a collective?

If the nation is "above all", then it follows collectivist doctrine.

Yeah but where does it say it’s above all?

Facism is litteral faggotry.