I know Austria used to be the seat of the Hapsburgs and now is a principality under the Belgian Emperor. Guy something or other?

Van-dur.... I really can't keep track of these tribal alders....

Based boomer shitting an these eurofags, that’s right, team America, put them in their place boomer.

And Belgium is pretty much a non-country.

Still my favorite Farage line.

Bear in mind Snake that these lesser cultures are almost all more 'huwite' than the great civilization we have built here in freedomtopia.

They’re lesser but bear in mind they’re much better than Africa or the Middle East. Asia is the only equal to them however they’re far to collectivistic for your guys taste

And that America is built from Europeans motivated by European ideas/ideals. We didn’t pop into existence from a vacuum

Anyway, this debate about collectivism vs individualism is unsatisfactory to me. I’ll admit I lost to brood but I’m concerned with something other than collectivism vs individualism. I’m more worried about order vs chaos

Austria and the US are performing very similarly
https://tradingeconomics.com/austria/gdp-per-capita
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-per-capita

Cry some more. @ETBrooD (((I’m joking)))

What crying?

We're literally right on the US's heels

Yeah, the reason I don’t like a lot of this so called individualism non sense is that it’s used to promote all kinds of shit from the far left. “Trans rights are human rights” etc. but I’m not really concerned with what legal protections a tranny has and more concerned with the future of the children.

Yeah the trans people don't seem to get that

Let me assure you, your far left are about as far removed from individualism as it can get

Ok but the left/right division of politics is retarded so if I’m “left wing” whatever

How little you know of us. Most of the history of civilization (which started in 1776) is the history of pushing the barbarian horde out of our continent. 2 wars with the British. We bought out the French and the Ruskies. We then went to war with the Spanish and kicked their ass so hard we ended up in the Philippines. Which was confusing because WTF are we going to do with the Philippines?

At the beginning of the second ~~mad attempt by the barbarians to kill each other possibly interrupting commerce~~ World war we traded Town Class Destroyers for the last military bases the Europeans had on our side of the planet.

I just don't want people forcing kids into something they are not...is that so hard to get?

You forgot to mention that time we mass migrated to Mexico and seceded, then conquered half their country which as a Texan I think is epic

Well and I don't want an irresponsible populace to have the right to take part in the mob rule process

But the government is meant to fight for the majority correct? This is a government for the majority.

Government does whatever it can to consolidate its power. It has no other purpose than that.

But government is the will of the people no?

Hardly forgot. But it is worth remembering that the largest 'migration' of Mexicans to the US happened when we *annexed* them. Not that I am against such a thing. Unlike Yurip Mexicans have normal civilized shit like cowboys...

Nah it's really not, and it never was.

Government is separate from the country, and the sooner people understand that the sooner we can rid ourselves of their mafia shit.

But brood the issue is with your philosophy is that you would allow too much.

Maybe, I'm not gonna claim I have all the answers.

The way I see it, individualism won't happen anyway. There are too many collectivists, or people who get fooled by that idea.

So it'll be an eternal struggle between twose two ideas.

But that black pill won't make me give up on individualism. It just means I gotta think strategically.

As long as there's a sort of stalemate where collectivism doesn't rule I'm sort of ok with things going the way they do.

I think the reason you’re failing is because you aren’t accounting for the amount of chaos happening now days. People become more group focused when the situation becomes unstable.

Yep, that's the reason why I try to think strategically. Trying to predict what will happen next, trying to prepare for it, trying to influence it a little.

I wouldn’t fret too much m8. I don’t think you’ll lose your human rights. I think people are just becoming aware that they’re collectively are under attack.

A few years ago I asked some of my US-based friends to fight for their gun rights because it's the last bastion of freedom. If the US falls, that'd be a symbolic loss that would have huge consequences.

Gun rights are not going, if they do, then we deserve what happens to us. At a certain point we’ve become so liberal we just won’t fight anymore, so if we’re that Much of a bitch then I couldn’t have the nerve to feel bad

Americans had to fight for their gun rights before. It might have to be done again.

It's not a matter of "deserve" imo.

In Europe we have a kind of saying, that we Europeans "earn" money, but Americans "make" money.
That difference in the mindset is pretty important. It concerns gun rights as well.