Message from @bandet

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2020-03-20 23:57:55 UTC  

What do you guys think:

Will we see more, or less births 9months from now?

2020-03-20 23:58:39 UTC  

One argument is that the people now due to the lockdowns are spending a whole lot more time together. Couples especially.

2020-03-20 23:59:33 UTC  

My argument is that it's the opposite because of the uncertainty of the future, couples will rather wait a year or longer to see what are their odds.

2020-03-21 00:00:50 UTC  

Yeah many don’t know how long this will last so it’s better to not take chances

2020-03-21 00:25:05 UTC  

its a nothing burger

2020-03-21 00:25:22 UTC  

only people at risk should be quarantined

2020-03-21 01:56:42 UTC  

But then you do exactly the same

2020-03-21 01:56:59 UTC  

R0= most likely 6 or 7 or even higher

2020-03-21 02:00:41 UTC  

I mean, I get it. It's hard to accept the harsh reality.

2020-03-21 02:43:47 UTC  

top kek

2020-03-21 02:44:14 UTC  

biggus dickus style

2020-03-21 02:46:08 UTC  

> Fiscal Impact by Race in 2018

2020-03-21 02:46:43 UTC  

Updated article based on recent data

2020-03-21 03:10:58 UTC  

Thanks **Ford**, that saved me some time.

2020-03-21 03:27:57 UTC  
2020-03-21 03:41:46 UTC  

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2020-03-21 04:47:37 UTC  

Not a moral nihilist, but JF won this. Stefan kept strawmanning and misunderstanding objective morality vs subjective moral preferences stemming from evolution.

2020-03-21 04:50:15 UTC  

Sorry, jf kept retreating to alternative fictional universes where he was right because he wasnt right in the current one. He couldnt admit rape is wrong and he accepted he is on the same moral standing as a child rapist. That's a complete defeat. You dont get to the point where your ideology excuses child rape and get to say you "won" anything.

2020-03-21 04:52:18 UTC  

Rape being wrong is not subjective. Its objective. Because if rape wasnt wrong it wouldnt be rape. It's a contradiction.

2020-03-21 04:52:31 UTC  

All judgements are subjective.

2020-03-21 04:54:06 UTC  

Well I just explained how that's wrong. Rape is objectively bad because if its consensual it's not rape.

2020-03-21 04:54:22 UTC  

There is no good rape.

2020-03-21 04:54:44 UTC  

Is your argument that lack of consent makes something inherently bad?

2020-03-21 04:55:07 UTC  

Muhammad would like a word with you

2020-03-21 04:55:31 UTC  

muhammad is immoral.

2020-03-21 04:55:39 UTC  

From what I know, children aren't consenting to adults feeding them whatever they put on the table. Yet we don't consider that bad.

2020-03-21 04:55:53 UTC  

feeding isn't rape.

2020-03-21 04:56:02 UTC  

But your argument is that rape is bad because it's not consent.

2020-03-21 04:56:04 UTC  

@bandet I'm a Perennial Traditionalist and do believe that there are objective grounds for morality, but all I'm saying is that the particular debate was won by JF since his arguments were more sound and not properly addressed by Molyneux.

2020-03-21 04:56:21 UTC  

@ETBrooD define rape

2020-03-21 04:56:31 UTC  

If you're arguing that only the lack of consent is what makes something bad, then you'd have to consider many other things bad, too.

2020-03-21 04:56:53 UTC  

Including children not having a choice in the matter of what food they eat.

2020-03-21 04:57:25 UTC  

In fact the 4 things listed by Molyneux which formed the basis for his moral theory were very much common throughout history and still are in many different civilizations

2020-03-21 04:57:44 UTC  

murder was constant throughout history. not moral.

2020-03-21 04:58:04 UTC  

Murder was, at times, considered morally acceptable, even admirable.

2020-03-21 04:58:22 UTC  

and the people who consider murder moral are not moral

2020-03-21 04:58:28 UTC  

It also doesn't matter what the majority thinks, that's not what makes something moral or immoral.

2020-03-21 05:00:30 UTC  

im sure theres an alternate universe where jf won, but it isn't this one!