I see no reason to give philosophers any more credit for being honest about their views than any other person tbh

And it wouldn't surprise me if Nietzsche was just trolling all along

Kant is a perfect example 😂

It is most certainly not for me. That's why I often consider their works verbal diarrhea, lol. Regardless of how intelligent I may or may not be, questions of an existential nature draw very little of my attention.

> And it wouldn't surprise me if Nietzsche was just trolling all along
@ETBrooD this tbh, I get a feeling that he liked to fuck with people

I'd like to say that I base my opinion of nietzsche on 2 main factors rather than specific details of his work. These two things being:

1. The insane amount of influence his work has had since his death. If we are judging who the "greatest" is on influence upon modern society then he's up there

2. The fact that his thoughts were extremely novel and that he was basically an enigma of time. If you look into it this will be the main praise of Nietzsche, as well as being the major factor for why people attribute to him 180-200 IQ. He was, essentially, as original and groundbreaking as a person can possibly be.

I'd also like to point out that most people have a hard time looking at things through historical context and that we stand on the backs of giants; nietzsche being one of such giants. Nietzsche had less giants to stand upon. @ETBrooD

We look at him knowing a billion things he couldn't even imagine.

And yet people still read his books

Looking for meaning

Almost nobody reads Kant's books looking for meaning, doing so would mostly be pointless anyway.. Considering Kant basically only made systems of thought that weren't as useful as they seemed and then projected them as existent, *a priori.* Most of his writing is about such things and it's really just him floundering. Like a beached fish with delusions of walking.

In a way Kant was sorta a precursor to post modernism and Nietzsche was a precursor to people who fight postmodernism. Hot take, probably one that will get me flack.

But whatever

"Maybe try starting with a science based philosopher like freud or etc."
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Every time I read something Hex says I feel dumber for having done so. This video really is a perfect description of him

It's like your only means of communication rests on binary of uncut autistic junk text and tantrums

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> "Maybe try starting with a science based philosopher like freud or etc."
> My sides
@Hexidecimark Can you please explain what about this comment you find to be amusing? Just curious.

Every other thing Freud thought was the most fantastical flavor of worthless, which is why almost his whole body of work has basically been discarded

Not saying he wasn't important or very influential, but scientific is a bit of a stretch

You've obviously never read him and obviously don't know what you're talking about. He's still widely taught and respected in and by modern psychology.

You don't even have the slightest inkling of psychology, let alone in a modern sense

Well, psychology isn't a pure science by any metric. However freud was far more scientific minded than most modern psychologists, vast majority of whom do not actually use psychoanalysis. The field is sorta dead tbh.

> You don't even have the slightest inkling of psychology, let alone in a modern sense
@Hexidecimark I've ***literally*** been studying it since I was a child, but okay rere, whatever you say.

Freud was wrong on a lot of things

Try reading a book by freud. @Hexidecimark

@ETBrooD Everyone is.

Eh, no

I've read more of Jung

Einstein was mostly right. Freud was very often wrong. And the list of his mistakes is only increasing, Einstein's is not.

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the fuck

Ever heard of space time? Literally a nonsensical theory.

One example? You said "a lot"

Well he didn't actually do that much

Freud was wrong on one of his most central concepts

Some of his previously thought wrong ideas also come back later being considered right again

Space time was one of his big things

@ETBrooD Can you give an example of something freud was wrong about?

I think a good way to put it is that Freud was explanatory but he's not scientific because he never tried to be predictive.