*cringe*

Also, nihilism is just an edgy, self-contradicting ideology

One of those I think at times is accurate. 😉

Nihilism; the belief-system for those that want to dehumanise humans.

Sure. Usually those that think they can't or don't want to be humans anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDWg-nftHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nxSSh2KjZc

Very dense but highly informative.

@Andrew Popa 2.0 Knows a fellow long nose when he sees one, I trust his word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiI1ZJmXns

long watch but powerful

tl;dw?

maybe i should finally get into YT seems like nows the perfect time to milk the hysteria surrounding covid, im willing to bet i could do a decent roundup video of all the major theories n shit

Man, someone really needs to get a good ol' 'boycott china and lobby for restricting trade with them' movement going. I'm just some rando on the internet so I have no ability to spread ideas unless I were to set up a webpage, but even I can see why this is a good time and write a short statement as to why literally everyone regardless of their political opinion should do so.

B-but muh free market!

I'm literally an ancap, and I'm okay with it. That gives you an idea of how crappy China is.

I think even the true blue 'can never compromise on their morals despite pragmatism' ancaps could be partially convinced, and definitely convinced that buying from china is immoral and they shouldn't do it even if they don't support government action

Frankly I'd love if an international anti-china trade league formed. Also, at some point china should probably eventually be split into multiple states *for the sake of world peace and stability*

> I'm literally an ancap, and I'm okay with it. That gives you an idea of how crappy China is.

Gives me an even better idea of how unprincipled YOU are.

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Is it a free market, internationally, or already rife with trade fuckery that's currently helping the chinese state? Is China acting in good faith on the free market?
China is fascist. Its economy cannot be seperated from its state; ergo, by buying anything from china, you are supporting a fascist state. However due to the current situation it's subsidized by literal slave labor, among other terrible things. It is actually immoral to buy things from China, and bending international trade laws (which we absolutely aren't going to be able to remove) to fuck with that is one of the least harmful things the state could do. Something pretty hard to fuck up, and actually to the moral good.

I'd of course prefer a free market and think it would be easily resolved there, but that isn't the current situation. Ideally you could spin an anti-china trade league so as to relax international trade fuckery between everyone else, even, so accomplishing all your goals at once. Realpolitik to move towards your end goal isn't bad when the means are better than the current state of things. I'm also not going to write my 'representatives' and encourage it, though if people can in good conscience they should consider it in addition to a personal boycott.

Asking an ancap to deal with an unfree market while staying within his moral framework <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991>

"you're such a hypocrite for, uh, rejecting authoritarianism... and... not allowing for a free, uh, I mean unfree... market... uh"

I like to think I do what I can, 'tis an imperfect world. I don't blame people who feel they must stick to their principles 100%, but can't help but feel they are hypocrites if they still follow the law where it is unjust. So it isn't sticking to those principles 100%, but doing so unless the state threatens you. I act 1 step below that as a matter of pragmatism, or at that same step with different phrasing.

China's boycott when?

Let's do it quickly
Until they extort, lie manipulate more of our precious resources

Hypocricy is only possible when a choice is in one's own hand. Don't let the Slovenian pseudo-tradcon rile you up <:smugon:512048583806025739>

Still not down at "the ends justify the means" either. But if there exists an objective moral world that we can imagine, that is better but not perfect, then situations or choices in politics can be ranked. And while I'm not going to break my own morals as much as possible, and not put energy into the legal games, I'm pretty fine with a china boycott happening.

Nah, it's good pracice; I already posted the argument in an ancap discord, so I'm gonna get flak there in the morning.

I'm personally starting my own china boycott; everyone should start themselves, tell others, try to get a groundswell of support by pitching it correctly based on peoples political viewpoints. Now is the time

I won't boycott them, I think there's nothing wrong in supporting or not supporting the Chinese economy. Life is life. They make their own choices. If they really wanted, they could've long escaped that hellhole.

The real issue is whether it's smart to purchase their products or not. Are they safe or not. That's the key question.

Except that supporting the hellhole still affects you out here, because they're imperialist bastards who are going to keep trying to infiltrate and influence things in the west. Not to mention their own internal imperialism; literally supporting race based slavery. Not to mention that most of the people that tried were killed or starved or preemptively killed (literally multiple WW2's and constant regimes of oppression even now). Nowadays they're on enough generations they buy the propeganda.

And of course, you have the economic issues with buying their products, and the security issues, etc, etc. Those are _primarily_ because of the chinese state

I'm just one person, my boycotting China would be a drop in the ocean.

I could deny them millions and it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.

Oh sure. The right thing to do though, and the ocean is made up of drops. That's why I'm not just being quiet and smug in my newfound moral superiority of not buying chinese like the self righteous would, or those who would say it just to virtue signal. I'm legitimately trying to make a bigger difference by convincing people

A difference is not being made with lone boycotts like this. Just like in a democratic voting process where it's the masses that hold most of the power, it's the same with demand. Those who's minds need swaying for meaningful change will not change their behavior just because we voice our opinion and boycott China's economy.

What needs to happen is so far out of our control that there's no realistic way for us to even attempt to do it.
People make their own lives. Let the Chinese people figure it out for themselves.

If you really want to support the Chinese people, try to instill a revolutionary mindset in them. That's what they truly need.

You don't get revolution or the necessary mindset without enough discomfort to prompt it, though I agree it'd be good. The chinese people have little say currently, but a generally comfortable enough life to not warrant it. With trade restrictions, they might start to feel pressure.
Those whose minds need swaying can be susceptible to what they percieve as public opinion, which is why noise and pressure is good/ effective. My boycott makes no difference except to me, but people who join in could do something in that way

An increasing number of Chinese people have been getting very angry over the past few decades. They're not happy at all.

There's a reason why the HK youth is fighting so hard for their freedom. They've tasted it. And the same will happen with mainland China. It'll just take time.