Message from @SPQR

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2020-03-29 10:03:12 UTC  

My sub just got banned

2020-03-29 10:04:03 UTC  

Did you advertise it on any sub that got banned recently?

2020-03-29 10:07:06 UTC  

No, I even lost control of it since my account was banned. It was without any mods for some time.

2020-03-29 10:07:36 UTC  

But the reasoning given is it was banned for "repurposing a sub to reconstitute or serve the same objective as a previously banned or quarantined subreddit"

2020-03-29 10:07:59 UTC  

Afaik, this was a unique sub on this concept

2020-03-29 14:25:09 UTC  

>Stefan

2020-03-29 14:25:24 UTC  

*cringe*

2020-03-29 14:26:00 UTC  

Also, nihilism is just an edgy, self-contradicting ideology

2020-03-29 14:29:05 UTC  

One of those I think at times is accurate. 😉

2020-03-29 14:51:38 UTC  

Nihilism; the belief-system for those that want to dehumanise humans.

2020-03-29 15:55:46 UTC  

Sure. Usually those that think they can't or don't want to be humans anymore.

2020-03-29 16:42:25 UTC  

Very dense but highly informative.

2020-03-29 19:18:05 UTC  

@Andrew Popa 2.0 Knows a fellow long nose when he sees one, I trust his word

2020-03-30 03:18:45 UTC  

long watch but powerful

2020-03-30 04:05:04 UTC  

tl;dw?

2020-03-30 04:44:40 UTC  

maybe i should finally get into YT seems like nows the perfect time to milk the hysteria surrounding covid, im willing to bet i could do a decent roundup video of all the major theories n shit

2020-03-30 07:47:20 UTC  

Man, someone really needs to get a good ol' 'boycott china and lobby for restricting trade with them' movement going. I'm just some rando on the internet so I have no ability to spread ideas unless I were to set up a webpage, but even I can see why this is a good time and write a short statement as to why literally everyone regardless of their political opinion should do so.

2020-03-30 08:16:54 UTC  

B-but muh free market!

2020-03-30 08:17:35 UTC  

I'm literally an ancap, and I'm okay with it. That gives you an idea of how crappy China is.

2020-03-30 08:21:05 UTC  

I think even the true blue 'can never compromise on their morals despite pragmatism' ancaps could be partially convinced, and definitely convinced that buying from china is immoral and they shouldn't do it even if they don't support government action

2020-03-30 08:24:21 UTC  

Frankly I'd love if an international anti-china trade league formed. Also, at some point china should probably eventually be split into multiple states *for the sake of world peace and stability*

2020-03-30 08:26:05 UTC  

> I'm literally an ancap, and I'm okay with it. That gives you an idea of how crappy China is.

Gives me an even better idea of how unprincipled YOU are.

2020-03-30 08:34:22 UTC  

?
Is it a free market, internationally, or already rife with trade fuckery that's currently helping the chinese state? Is China acting in good faith on the free market?
China is fascist. Its economy cannot be seperated from its state; ergo, by buying anything from china, you are supporting a fascist state. However due to the current situation it's subsidized by literal slave labor, among other terrible things. It is actually immoral to buy things from China, and bending international trade laws (which we absolutely aren't going to be able to remove) to fuck with that is one of the least harmful things the state could do. Something pretty hard to fuck up, and actually to the moral good.

I'd of course prefer a free market and think it would be easily resolved there, but that isn't the current situation. Ideally you could spin an anti-china trade league so as to relax international trade fuckery between everyone else, even, so accomplishing all your goals at once. Realpolitik to move towards your end goal isn't bad when the means are better than the current state of things. I'm also not going to write my 'representatives' and encourage it, though if people can in good conscience they should consider it in addition to a personal boycott.

2020-03-30 08:36:09 UTC  

Asking an ancap to deal with an unfree market while staying within his moral framework <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991>

2020-03-30 08:36:50 UTC  

"you're such a hypocrite for, uh, rejecting authoritarianism... and... not allowing for a free, uh, I mean unfree... market... uh"

2020-03-30 08:39:43 UTC  

I like to think I do what I can, 'tis an imperfect world. I don't blame people who feel they must stick to their principles 100%, but can't help but feel they are hypocrites if they still follow the law where it is unjust. So it isn't sticking to those principles 100%, but doing so unless the state threatens you. I act 1 step below that as a matter of pragmatism, or at that same step with different phrasing.

2020-03-30 08:42:03 UTC  

China's boycott when?

2020-03-30 08:42:41 UTC  

Let's do it quickly
Until they extort, lie manipulate more of our precious resources

2020-03-30 08:42:59 UTC  

Hypocricy is only possible when a choice is in one's own hand. Don't let the Slovenian pseudo-tradcon rile you up <:smugon:512048583806025739>

2020-03-30 08:43:07 UTC  

Still not down at "the ends justify the means" either. But if there exists an objective moral world that we can imagine, that is better but not perfect, then situations or choices in politics can be ranked. And while I'm not going to break my own morals as much as possible, and not put energy into the legal games, I'm pretty fine with a china boycott happening.

2020-03-30 08:44:03 UTC  

Nah, it's good pracice; I already posted the argument in an ancap discord, so I'm gonna get flak there in the morning.

2020-03-30 08:46:47 UTC  

I'm personally starting my own china boycott; everyone should start themselves, tell others, try to get a groundswell of support by pitching it correctly based on peoples political viewpoints. Now is the time

2020-03-30 08:52:11 UTC  

I won't boycott them, I think there's nothing wrong in supporting or not supporting the Chinese economy. Life is life. They make their own choices. If they really wanted, they could've long escaped that hellhole.

2020-03-30 08:53:08 UTC  

The real issue is whether it's smart to purchase their products or not. Are they safe or not. That's the key question.

2020-03-30 08:56:27 UTC  

Except that supporting the hellhole still affects you out here, because they're imperialist bastards who are going to keep trying to infiltrate and influence things in the west. Not to mention their own internal imperialism; literally supporting race based slavery. Not to mention that most of the people that tried were killed or starved or preemptively killed (literally multiple WW2's and constant regimes of oppression even now). Nowadays they're on enough generations they buy the propeganda.

2020-03-30 08:59:11 UTC  

And of course, you have the economic issues with buying their products, and the security issues, etc, etc. Those are _primarily_ because of the chinese state

2020-03-30 09:00:50 UTC  

I'm just one person, my boycotting China would be a drop in the ocean.

2020-03-30 09:01:08 UTC  

I could deny them millions and it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.