China's boycott when?

Let's do it quickly
Until they extort, lie manipulate more of our precious resources

Hypocricy is only possible when a choice is in one's own hand. Don't let the Slovenian pseudo-tradcon rile you up <:smugon:512048583806025739>

Still not down at "the ends justify the means" either. But if there exists an objective moral world that we can imagine, that is better but not perfect, then situations or choices in politics can be ranked. And while I'm not going to break my own morals as much as possible, and not put energy into the legal games, I'm pretty fine with a china boycott happening.

Nah, it's good pracice; I already posted the argument in an ancap discord, so I'm gonna get flak there in the morning.

I'm personally starting my own china boycott; everyone should start themselves, tell others, try to get a groundswell of support by pitching it correctly based on peoples political viewpoints. Now is the time

I won't boycott them, I think there's nothing wrong in supporting or not supporting the Chinese economy. Life is life. They make their own choices. If they really wanted, they could've long escaped that hellhole.

The real issue is whether it's smart to purchase their products or not. Are they safe or not. That's the key question.

Except that supporting the hellhole still affects you out here, because they're imperialist bastards who are going to keep trying to infiltrate and influence things in the west. Not to mention their own internal imperialism; literally supporting race based slavery. Not to mention that most of the people that tried were killed or starved or preemptively killed (literally multiple WW2's and constant regimes of oppression even now). Nowadays they're on enough generations they buy the propeganda.

And of course, you have the economic issues with buying their products, and the security issues, etc, etc. Those are _primarily_ because of the chinese state

I'm just one person, my boycotting China would be a drop in the ocean.

I could deny them millions and it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.

Oh sure. The right thing to do though, and the ocean is made up of drops. That's why I'm not just being quiet and smug in my newfound moral superiority of not buying chinese like the self righteous would, or those who would say it just to virtue signal. I'm legitimately trying to make a bigger difference by convincing people

A difference is not being made with lone boycotts like this. Just like in a democratic voting process where it's the masses that hold most of the power, it's the same with demand. Those who's minds need swaying for meaningful change will not change their behavior just because we voice our opinion and boycott China's economy.

What needs to happen is so far out of our control that there's no realistic way for us to even attempt to do it.
People make their own lives. Let the Chinese people figure it out for themselves.

If you really want to support the Chinese people, try to instill a revolutionary mindset in them. That's what they truly need.

You don't get revolution or the necessary mindset without enough discomfort to prompt it, though I agree it'd be good. The chinese people have little say currently, but a generally comfortable enough life to not warrant it. With trade restrictions, they might start to feel pressure.
Those whose minds need swaying can be susceptible to what they percieve as public opinion, which is why noise and pressure is good/ effective. My boycott makes no difference except to me, but people who join in could do something in that way

An increasing number of Chinese people have been getting very angry over the past few decades. They're not happy at all.

There's a reason why the HK youth is fighting so hard for their freedom. They've tasted it. And the same will happen with mainland China. It'll just take time.

China has already improved a lot. It used to be communist. Now it's "only" fascist.

It took Europe centuries to end the tyranny of monarchy and install democracy, following in the US's footsteps.

And to get there Europe had to go through fascism as well.

No amount of boycotting from foreign nations has achieved that.

Oh sure. But comfort isn't the same as happiness either, nor do I think this is something that doing as slowly as it goes naturally would benefit from.
And not really, no; europe didn't have to go through fascism. The key to more modern democracy there and the breakdown of the old guard was ww1 and the strains that put on the economy and old system

Europe was infested with fascism during the late 19th and early 20th century

It was so bad that you could barely count the countries that weren't fascist or otherwise totalitarian.

That's just what monarchies inevitably lead to. Europe was entirely monarchical.

I really don't think that's true. Certainly shitty, but a different sort of shitty. Fascism is inherently anti-monarch at least in ideology, and there was plenty 'outside the state' in the late 19th century/ pre ww1 europe

wut

I think you should research monarchy a bit more. It goes hand in hand with fascism.

I couldn't imagine a better couple tbh lol

Maybe it helps if I say that, since the monarchies of Europe were mainly decided by heritage, not vote, therefore it's only a matter of time until the monarchy turns tyrannical. The only variable is the individual at the top. Is it a benelovent or a malevolent ruler? Since that isn't enshrined in the rule of monarchy (unless it's written into the constitution), there's no way to prevent a dictator from coming into power.

Since the monarch used to be able to dissolve parliament at will (since monarchies are always the rule of one alone), therefore a system similar to fascism becomes inevitable. It's always heading towards some form of dictatorship.

This is why the only good monarch is one who dissolves the monarchy and installs democracy.

(although I have a strong critique of democracy as well, but that's another topic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWAva9wzK-s

Tldw;

1. Fiction: The Road by Cormac McCarthy
2. History: The Deluge by Adam Tooze
3. Philosophy: Essays and Aphorisms by Arthur Schopenhauer (Penguin Edition)
4. Autobiography: Inside The Third Reich by Albert Speer
5. Spirituality: I Am That by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> It is actually immoral to buy things from China

It is actually immoral to be a libertarian.

> The real issue is whether it's smart to purchase their products or not. Are they safe or not. That's the key question.

lmao ... the key question is whether or not to exchange their shitty stuff with our money, which they will use to buy out our countries

> literally supporting race based slavery

... which I do not find objectionable.

> Let the Chinese people figure it out for themselves.

LMAO

Translation: Let dear reader figure it out for the 1,3-1,4 billion people

Hot take: Chinese stuff is actually pretty good depending on what it is

Wait, how much good stuff comes out of Slovenia