You know, maybe it is better to maximize glory than to minimize suffering.

Male-to-female

@DrYuriMom Yeah we might succeed in Transgender rights, but it would be built off women who got rapped and harmed in the bathrooms because we rushed it ahead without thinking. Do you want it to be built off people's suffering 10th?

sex and gender are male/female anything else is sexual preference imo

It's difficult to have this conversation, because I think a lot of us are coming at the issue with a variety of axioms.

@DrYuriMom That is what I am trying to say.

Ya, he transitioned, but wouldn't it have been better if they felt comfortable in the body they were born in? @DrYuriMom

Calm down mark, whatever you do increases suffering

Dont play that "do you want people to be harmed" game

liberty and total responsibility to oneself produces maximum glory

My point is would it be safe for these people to use their assigned-at-birth restroom?

@Blackhawk342 that's the one with the boy losing his penis in the freak circumcision accident

Is that what people are arguing?

David Reimer?

99.999% of the time, nobody is unsafe in a restroom because of somebody's gender

Safe yes, embarassing maybe

@Blackhawk342 I am advocating for us to slow down and think about the consequences of certain access, we shouldn't push blindly for something without thinking about how it will effect others. That is why I advocate only opening up bathrooms after they receive their transgender operations aka sex change operations.

Most likely, I would think.

whether or not it is appropriate for them to be in there

now, allowing unhinged people into restrooms full of weak people is unsafe

kids 15yr old friend claimed they were trans, went to docs, got put on all sorts of drugs, he realised he was straight, got off the drugs. He was skinny kid, now he's morbidly obese. crazy.

just send all the questionables into the men's room

i feel unsafe in a public restroom because i might catch something

and have a little ladies room for pathetic weaklings who need you to worry about them when they're pissing

xorgy, so what you're saying is rest rooms should only allow those who lift?

mainly the filthier ones

not all men are able to protect themselves

>not carrying a knife in 2018

I have no issues with where people pee

@beaker There also been instances of people being socially pressured to identify as transgender, then come to regret it. That is another side-effect of rushing things.

@AHeroQuest they are welcome in the ladies' room

amateurs

I think that was always a stupid stance for people to take

Get those concealed carry permits, friends.

some dudes will piss in a stall toilet and not shut the door

like dude

If you're a proud American, of course.

@DrYuriMom I am against rushing things to achieve a end goal. The ends doesn't justify the means.

@Dusty Morgan at my kids school it is now a fad to be LGBT

there was a urinal open

you know, concealed carry is basically ideal for washrooms, aside from hearing damage