And only the western lefties disagree with a hard stance on immigration

The populist anti migrant movement is growing stronger every day in hte west

And the east already hates immigrants

Whether you want to admit it or not we need other countries and immigration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oZ9ExQ--Rs

Atleast for now

Needing other countries for trade is not the same as needing them for labor

yeah, and those citzens that would be immigrants won't give a fuck about their own government morale grand standing over none-issues

We don't need more people

they'll look up the laws, and go for it if it looks worth it

or if they have good oppertunities

Isolationism right now would destroy and destabilize our economy

'immigrants will do jobs amaricans don't want to do'
robots are already farming and this will scale exponentially. no need for low wage jobs soon.

I never said we should be isolationist. That comes with a lot more baggage than what I'm saying. Lower immigration isn;t a big deal

isloationism to what degree?

securing your borders and only letting in skilled migrants will only be a net benefit

You saying that's isolationist is like saying someone is a communist because they like welfare

That's a fuckin leap

I'm not saying its what's wrong in fact I think it would be good

I'm just questioning every possible solution and trying to determine which is the most optimal

MS13 provides so many jobs to law enforcement

And so far I cant not see how each one wouldnt effect us in a drastically large way

I'm not trying to prevent you from questioning everything. That's good. I'm just pushing back on some assumptions you're making that I think are innacurate

Except I am using a foreign base for my understanding on the issue

Look at Hungary I think it is

They closed their border and have been hit by a global backlash against them

Whether their cause is just or not is irrelevant

er, the global backlash was more the destruction of their legal system and generally anti-democratic moves wasn't it?

America isn't Hungary though

There's so much nuance that you're missing by just comparing two countries that are going to enforce borders

That's true but the only data we have suggests what could happen to us if we follow suit

America is a global super power that is very progressive compared to hungary

you're fault here is assuming their immigration system is the result of the backlash

most of the backlash i've seen is more about them moving more towards a dictator system?

Even if they cry that we shot the immigrants with net guns and set up a camp to process them, they can;t touch us

We're fucking America

Also the rhetoric coming out of hungary

They cant hurt us

The government is pretty red pilled and does not pull punches

Not the way the EU has a strangle hold on Hungary

Do that would have the biggest net negative out of all solutions