Are you going to respond to what I said?

I will

But give me a second

You can't think of "Turning people around" as a delay. Otherwise you only have those two options

I mean your right, in the current scale the easiest solution is to turn back the caravan

And if you wanna extend that even further, the only TRUE way to permanently end immigration is to either annex the entire globe, or genocide everyone that's not america

But I dont personally think the caravan is the issue

It's just a symptom of the issue

Okay if you wanna talk about illegal immigration in general, then the only option we have is open borders, genocide, or "delay" them

i asked before, what is the issue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qNo3cKO4_k

And unless we fix illegal immigration then we will just have more illegal immigration

... whats the issue?

I think we could do as dusty Morgan said

You need to reframe your argument. The only fix is killing illegals or opening the borders

We could first reform the immigration act of 1964

The border is like an immune system. It's constantly repelling threats. The immune system doesn;t exit the body to hunt down viruses and genocide them, nor does it just give up and let shit infect the body

Secondly we have constant armed forces guard our border

the immigration act isn't the cause of illegal immigration though

3 construction of the wall

4 either deport or legalize the ones already here

right.. but why are these people even trying to enter the country illegally in teh first place?

otherwise you're suggestion is treating the symptons not the cause.

Which is what we're doing

Because treating the symptoms

Is the only way to deal with immigration

also codes, weren't you just pushing back on people advocating some of those positions?

Unless you are thinking about star trek utopias wher ethe globe is all 1st world

I was not pushing back

well, debating if they're were the best option

I was questioning for the sake of furthering my understanding

I'm not all knowing

Yeah. The only way to "Treat the disease of immigration" is to stop people from wanting to immigrate. Either fix their countries, make our country less appealing, or kill them so there aren't people that want to come here

I think that's the wrong solution

The only course of action is to reinforce our ability to repel illegals, like walls, more border patrol, etc

We need to decentivise people from coming here

i say we fix the counteries, it just feels wrong letting those places be a complete mess when we have the power to forcefully fix it, ya know?

And that requires 1 of 2 things

Make welfare increasingly difficult to get or completely rid ourselves of it entirely

I think fixing a broken country is impossible

That wouldn't stop it. America is just great and people would come here regardless of welfare