You can tip it in favor of staying in their country by either, Making America worse than theirs

The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. We will be taken advantage of to the extent that we tolerate it. The strategy is to use our kindness and good will against us.

There is a 3rd part, how much of a benefit do I acquire

or Making theirs better than America, or at least good enough to not be worth the hasstle

No dude, that's not a 3rd part

The best way to make countries around you prosperous is to make the people rebuild their country rather than running to yours

That's within the balancing act of the 2 parts

I guess that's true

The only 3rd solution to stop immigration is to wipe this calculation off the face of the earth by including them here, so they don;t need to be citizens, or killing them so there aren't people to even want to come here

So I guess there are only 4 options

America worse, Native Country better, Open Borders, Kill everyone

See why you can't cure immigration?

All those options suck, or are hard to do

The only one that is morally good is fix their countries

And that takes a long time

Which is why we deflect illegals and deal with symptoms as we slowly try to pressure them to get better

My question would be is immigration an issue to you, or just illegal immigration?

Autocorrect....

Well kind of both.

Regular immigration can be fine if it's like, someone from Germany to the US

1st world to 1st world

i'm in the EU, so both for me.

legal low skilled migration is bad as well

Then it is impossible to solve

I know

pretty much, we should just pick and chose people who will be a benefit to our country.

The issue in this debate is what is a problem

Well, not impossible, but either difficult, or morally abhorrent

The problem is that you came at this trying to cure immigration, which we have shown to be not the right approach

I think that legal immigration is okay and it doesnt matter where they come from

Everyone should have a chance at the American dream

i think origin is important.

A legal immigrant from Venezuela that's a doctor is actually bad for Venezuela.

But that doesnt mean everyone gets in

incompatible cutlures, and counteries with crap or fradulent education systems are a problem as well

Students that come here and stay here hurt their country of origin

oh right, brain drain is a problem too.

If the rich can come here for school ,get a good education and skill set, and are then encouraged to go back to their home countries to make them better, the world as a whole would get better

a lot of developing counteries suffer from it because we suck up all their talent

That would actively push towards "curing" immigration

Not going to happen.