Message from @A Haunted Army

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2018-10-30 09:18:43 UTC  

can you link to any such cases that resulted in this specific legal action?

2018-10-30 09:19:06 UTC  

But companies like Facebook and Twitter have arbitration clauses

2018-10-30 09:19:13 UTC  

You cant sue them anyway

2018-10-30 09:19:43 UTC  

@beaker not really but that is why zuckerberg was pressed on curation in his hearing

2018-10-30 09:20:07 UTC  

@Cody oh this isnt about suing. Its about criminal liability

2018-10-30 09:20:19 UTC  

More like the right is biting at nails to try and find dirt on a non issue

2018-10-30 09:20:46 UTC  

its no more enforceable than trying to bust people for thought crimes. New law 'if you think about anything hateful, you will be prosecuted'

2018-10-30 09:20:49 UTC  

Like facebook was spreading videos of people being tortured and such

2018-10-30 09:20:49 UTC  

I would think the bigger issue is not censorship, though it's a big problem

2018-10-30 09:21:08 UTC  

The problem lies in much larger legal inplications

2018-10-30 09:21:32 UTC  

Should massive corporations be allowed to ban anyone when they have so much public influence

2018-10-30 09:21:44 UTC  

Personaly, i dont care

2018-10-30 09:22:28 UTC  

Im glad if they get massivly fucked up tbh. We have technology wuch as blockchain now, nothing, including highly illegal material, can be removed.

2018-10-30 09:22:51 UTC  

Like dont get me wrong, I think your right but how do we stop and prove they are a publisher?

2018-10-30 09:23:03 UTC  

We cant argue the problem

2018-10-30 09:23:05 UTC  

Here's my proposal. Very large social media sites and tech firms (say, >40% market share, though precise numbers and triggers are debatable) are required to act as a common carrier and cannot discriminate for any reason that's not explicitly illegal (like the phone companies or mail services).

alternatively, we could create a two-type system. You can act as a publisher and curate or do what you want, but become liable for what you host (within takedown limits). Or you can be a platform and obtain immunity from basically everything that's not expressly illegal.

Right now, you can curate *and* be immune.

Removing the ability to curate from everyone is infeasible, impractical and poorly thought out (you would have difficulty running a personal blog for example and the regulators would have to monitor everything on the internet). Simply making everyone liable just opens up the SPLC to sue everyone they don't like into oblivion and would kill the internet as a whole.

2018-10-30 09:23:09 UTC  

We must argue the solution

2018-10-30 09:23:25 UTC  

You'd need new legislation.

2018-10-30 09:24:14 UTC  

The solution is the free market

2018-10-30 09:24:14 UTC  

Giant mega corps being considered common carriers is the best option imo

2018-10-30 09:24:19 UTC  

teh obvious answer to cortez's figure is that she's including undocumented's in it

2018-10-30 09:24:28 UTC  

the solution is to NOT have big tech companies in control of social media

2018-10-30 09:24:36 UTC  

Fuck off with that invisible hand of the market shit

2018-10-30 09:24:52 UTC  

@Beef Taquitos except the solutions exist

2018-10-30 09:25:04 UTC  

its not invisible, we are there

2018-10-30 09:25:09 UTC  

That's the only people who will ever be in control of social media

2018-10-30 09:25:19 UTC  

They just have to be restricted

2018-10-30 09:25:20 UTC  

@Beef Taquitos actualy, no

2018-10-30 09:25:33 UTC  

@Beef Taquitos decentralised systems are controlled by nobody

2018-10-30 09:25:41 UTC  

How is it a "free" market if its regulated?

2018-10-30 09:25:54 UTC  

@Cody its not regulated

2018-10-30 09:25:57 UTC  

I mean.

2018-10-30 09:26:00 UTC  

We regulate murder.

2018-10-30 09:26:04 UTC  

Can't be havin that

2018-10-30 09:26:04 UTC  

We have to reign in those who are in control. No we're not gonna have fucking socialized social media

2018-10-30 09:26:07 UTC  

@Redneo That's not true at all. Someone has to maintain those systems. They "own" it in the sense that they can manipulate them.

2018-10-30 09:26:18 UTC  

That's retarded and wouldn't work

2018-10-30 09:26:18 UTC  

You said "The solution is the free market"

2018-10-30 09:26:24 UTC  

@Beef Taquitos socialised? WHat the heck are you on about?

2018-10-30 09:26:41 UTC  

@Beef Taquitos its not retarded, we have it and it does work

2018-10-30 09:26:45 UTC  

So if no regulation led to issue wouldnt we then need to regulate