@taekahn reason is still argued against

I'd agree with that statement @Existence is identity

im giving people the tools of reason integration and morality

Doesn't change what i said. Someone can lose sight of what is really important in pursuit of a goal.

If you remove selfishness, you can find yourself in the realm of co-dependency

@taekahn that depends

maybe your perfect ultra instnct man won't, but that isn't every person

https://youtu.be/_oZtCA9WI4k

id imagine most people who think long term and think things through know what they want

"And the prospects of me getting food without having to interact with another human beeing exites me more than it should".

assuming they have common sense lol

but either way mans happiness trumps others happiness

crimes of passion exist for a reason

people don't always think things through

even rational people

otherwise perfectly rational people

can act stupidly

@taekahn We are conditioned to see selfishness as a negative trait but that's not the case. However, there are stark differences between being selfish and being a dick

Exactly. Say you come home and another man lies on top your dead wife....

@AHeroQuest yes assuming that the philosophy is what they hold

And I'd say that's due in part to the nature of the world currently. Too much instant gratification leads to that desire elsewhere in life, even when logic and rational should be your go to.

you act like we live in this perfect arete world

@Stefan Payne painting a extreme situation which is complicated in itself and philosophy is not meant for dealing with

life is not dealing with your dead wife

I never said being selfish i negative, i said you can be too selfish. wich you disagreed with

@taekahn I gave you how a selfish man would act and you say it isn't possible

you bascially argued there is no point at which a person can be too selfish

yws

*yes

a ridiculous statement.
in your opinion, someone blowing up the world becuase they want a little peace and quiet is fine

?

can't be too selfish, gotta consider only your own needs to every extreme

howd you conclude that

That's the realm of being a dick 😛

that means man destroys all his other values

Because it never ends when you start

So then you admit you CAN be too selfish

You should watch Code Geass, thats kinda what its about

either you can, or you can't

and the interests of other man still can stop him from using force

@taekahn its not selfish to throw away all your values for it to be quiet