also what walsp says

@Dr.Wol humans are self interested of course ideas can change that

Objectivism on paper would work, but it would require you to ignore human emotion

And anyone who seeks power will manipulate that,
You'd have someone preaching emotions which appeal more to people

Fear > rationale

from all the dudes i know the parental control wasn't a problem, unless said parent was also manipulative/abusive/neurotic, but said person still ended up better for it, just fucked up if they had to deal with one or more of those 3, but you can see the same for undisciplined kids with manipulative/abusive/neurotic parents

no human emotions are what determine values

Humans are self interested, but that is not a bad thing

@Yugure yes I know

@Ottobon nothing is simplistic in explanation and Rejecting any explanation is common with most people

They just want to hear what they want to hear instead of being more Considerate and open minded

people determine values, human emotions just run on them

If emotions determined values, everyone would have the same values cuz we're all emotional

because of the prevalant system of economics in many developed nations, others selfish acts are inherently altruistic

I was refuting his point on why objectivism is not possible @Yugure

oh god no, objectivism is simply not possible

how so?

Its what the japanese themselves say Is the problem if you cant Talk about issues it biols over and you lose your shit

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Lol

come on guys, let's prove we're not a nazi

way ahead of you Trains

waiting for Tim to prove he's not a nazi

Trains the no nut november is part of the Movements lol

its an ever expanding hallway of an ideal, in the words of one of my judicial process readings from the words of a federal judge. "there is no such thing as an objective judge as a judge has only his own particular lense in which to view the world, they can try to understand anothers lense but all information and decisions are filtered through the lense created by that judges life experiences"

@Yugure and this disproves objectivism how?

my german side of the family was like half raised by jews (but not jewish) and half sorta-unironic-nazi, very confusing i dono how those two sides married but apparently things were shitty enough for germans in early 20th cent so it just worked vs being lonely?

as being possible

@Matt-Kill723 they're just tryna stop us from completing No Nut November. Sneaky fuckers

human nature makes objectivism impossible

Objectivism requires rationality, humans are irrational

@Existence is identity i dont concieve you understand many possibilitys

i like how people forget how shitty white ethnicities treated eachother in america like 70-80 years ago

you need to either talk to more people or travel more

@Dr.Wol lul humans are literally capable of rational thinking we arent lowly dogs following a process

no one can be objective to any situation, not even those we decide to judge our actions. each person has only their lense in which to decide their opinion on a matter. objectivism requires a person to see through the lense of both parties in a dispute

@Walsp sure and its the collectivist ideas which made them irrational

i refer you to the voting elections ttv

everybodies been at the identity politics game before and it leads nowhere good, we've just gotten to the point its atleast less identities even if people keep trying to make it more identities yet again

tell me how many voted rational

@Yugure Im not if you understand what I am talking about fully

*sure

@Dr.Wol he keeps baiting for Debating instead @Existence is identity and stop trying to piss people off just because you dont agree with there points and if you dont believe it dont try and justify debating on issues because your not satisfied

@Dr.Wol lul I just said they arent rational because of collective ideals