Message from @Cody

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2018-11-03 17:25:49 UTC  

Again, no.

2018-11-03 17:25:50 UTC  

Something akin to that, I would assume

2018-11-03 17:25:57 UTC  

not exactly

2018-11-03 17:26:23 UTC  

Like i said above, the instant you factor in other factors, its not merit based anymore. It can't be.

2018-11-03 17:26:24 UTC  

Modern day runs on the assumption all people of a certain race face the same struggles

2018-11-03 17:26:37 UTC  

Whether its class, or race, or social status, or disability

2018-11-03 17:26:41 UTC  

I.E. affirmative action and diversity

2018-11-03 17:26:48 UTC  

Right. So, he'd prefer to judge people's economic situations regardless of race.

2018-11-03 17:27:12 UTC  

Under a meritocratic system such as the one I described, people can explain their own sturggles and no employer is forced to take them into account

2018-11-03 17:27:24 UTC  

So, if I'm understanding this right, a poor person who went to some random high school is held to a lower standard when applying to a position than a rich person who went to a fancy prep school.

2018-11-03 17:27:26 UTC  

However, they have the possibility of doing so

2018-11-03 17:27:32 UTC  

You can't cleanly separate biological and environmental factors when assigning merit.

2018-11-03 17:27:40 UTC  

Book, your not understanding this right

2018-11-03 17:27:53 UTC  

Even that kid in prep school can face a struggle in life

2018-11-03 17:28:37 UTC  

Okay. So, the more you struggle in life, the lower the standard or the more aid they receive from the government/college/fill in the authority.

2018-11-03 17:28:38 UTC  

People that have faced (and overcome) real struggles generally don't want or like handouts

2018-11-03 17:28:50 UTC  

THIS

2018-11-03 17:29:05 UTC  

they earn themselevs

2018-11-03 17:29:11 UTC  

Take me for example, I come from a rather well off family to the point I can pay all 4 years tuition and come out debt free. But when I'm asked about a struggle I had in life I typically write about my own bout with depression and my fight against it without medication and how that affected my life academically and personally

2018-11-03 17:29:21 UTC  

Tbh yugure might not even support the system

2018-11-03 17:29:26 UTC  

Dont attack him for it

2018-11-03 17:29:31 UTC  

I'm not.

2018-11-03 17:29:32 UTC  

yu what?

2018-11-03 17:29:40 UTC  

Someone who faces struggles wants the opportunity to earn their keep, not be handed it

2018-11-03 17:29:56 UTC  

So, under Tim's system, your depression problems would entitle you to aid or special consideration that someone without those struggles would not receive?

2018-11-03 17:30:05 UTC  

Again, no

2018-11-03 17:30:06 UTC  

that which is given has no value... for those who keep forgetting

2018-11-03 17:30:18 UTC  

So, you don't get anything?

2018-11-03 17:30:34 UTC  

Book you seem to be missing a step or two here which could be my fault for not explaining correctly

2018-11-03 17:30:34 UTC  

You're judged on the same plane as someone without the problems you face?

2018-11-03 17:31:30 UTC  

Let's take college admissions again. Now when people are admitted to college, their GPA and ACT/SAT scores hold the most weight in an application process AKA their achievements in high school

2018-11-03 17:31:53 UTC  

Think of it like this, A student from a poor public school would not have the same opportunity's as a someone from a rich private school. This means that your merit in your school and not your merit compared to rich child should be used.

2018-11-03 17:32:13 UTC  

However many colleges (including my own) allow for a personal statement to add a human factor to the application, to explain a struggle in your life that could have caused your achievements

2018-11-03 17:32:37 UTC  

That sounds to me like lowering the bar for people

2018-11-03 17:32:40 UTC  

special people

2018-11-03 17:32:51 UTC  

While the personal statement does not hold as much weight as the ACT and GPA, it helps in a decision making process

2018-11-03 17:33:32 UTC  

So then your okay with not applying equal opportunity to a situation?

2018-11-03 17:34:02 UTC  

If someone accepted you, over someone with better test scores, because of your depression struggles, did you receive special consideration?

2018-11-03 17:34:06 UTC  

Lowering the bar is giving the assumption that a group of people all face the same problem and need Pity for ir

2018-11-03 17:34:06 UTC  

Someone born poor should not have the same opportunity's as someone born rich? Doesnt sound very merit based.

2018-11-03 17:34:26 UTC  

If anything I wouldent be accepted because of my GPA