Message from @Yugure

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2018-11-03 17:29:32 UTC  

yu what?

2018-11-03 17:29:40 UTC  

Someone who faces struggles wants the opportunity to earn their keep, not be handed it

2018-11-03 17:29:56 UTC  

So, under Tim's system, your depression problems would entitle you to aid or special consideration that someone without those struggles would not receive?

2018-11-03 17:30:05 UTC  

Again, no

2018-11-03 17:30:06 UTC  

that which is given has no value... for those who keep forgetting

2018-11-03 17:30:18 UTC  

So, you don't get anything?

2018-11-03 17:30:34 UTC  

Book you seem to be missing a step or two here which could be my fault for not explaining correctly

2018-11-03 17:30:34 UTC  

You're judged on the same plane as someone without the problems you face?

2018-11-03 17:31:30 UTC  

Let's take college admissions again. Now when people are admitted to college, their GPA and ACT/SAT scores hold the most weight in an application process AKA their achievements in high school

2018-11-03 17:31:53 UTC  

Think of it like this, A student from a poor public school would not have the same opportunity's as a someone from a rich private school. This means that your merit in your school and not your merit compared to rich child should be used.

2018-11-03 17:32:13 UTC  

However many colleges (including my own) allow for a personal statement to add a human factor to the application, to explain a struggle in your life that could have caused your achievements

2018-11-03 17:32:37 UTC  

That sounds to me like lowering the bar for people

2018-11-03 17:32:40 UTC  

special people

2018-11-03 17:32:51 UTC  

While the personal statement does not hold as much weight as the ACT and GPA, it helps in a decision making process

2018-11-03 17:33:32 UTC  

So then your okay with not applying equal opportunity to a situation?

2018-11-03 17:34:02 UTC  

If someone accepted you, over someone with better test scores, because of your depression struggles, did you receive special consideration?

2018-11-03 17:34:06 UTC  

Lowering the bar is giving the assumption that a group of people all face the same problem and need Pity for ir

2018-11-03 17:34:06 UTC  

Someone born poor should not have the same opportunity's as someone born rich? Doesnt sound very merit based.

2018-11-03 17:34:26 UTC  

If anything I wouldent be accepted because of my GPA

2018-11-03 17:34:29 UTC  

Since the individual did not achieve their keep in life themselves

2018-11-03 17:34:39 UTC  

My GPA was a 2.3, yet my ACT was a 28

2018-11-03 17:35:11 UTC  

The personal statement helped them understand maybe my GPA was skewed because of my bout with depression

2018-11-03 17:35:14 UTC  

No, @Yugure that is a fatally flawed assumption. You can lower the bar on any basis, even an individual one.

2018-11-03 17:35:38 UTC  

Lowering the bar is just that, lowering the bar

2018-11-03 17:35:47 UTC  

it says NOTHNG about the reasons why you're lowering it

2018-11-03 17:35:51 UTC  

simply that you're lowering it

2018-11-03 17:35:57 UTC  

so anything extra is baggage in your mind

2018-11-03 17:36:09 UTC  

@Yugure grades are nothing

2018-11-03 17:36:32 UTC  

sadly grades nowadays do not separate those who learn and those who memorize

2018-11-03 17:36:41 UTC  

Grades are the academic benchmark of success Kali

2018-11-03 17:36:55 UTC  

And your right, but they are used nontheless

2018-11-03 17:36:59 UTC  

there is no meriotacratic metric to determine a lot of academic achievement not every student in america goes to the same high school one schools 2.5 is a lot more difficult then another schools

2018-11-03 17:37:03 UTC  

It's true, but grades would say a lot more if I had more trust in the American educations system.

2018-11-03 17:37:18 UTC  

We may hate the rings, but to reach our goals we need to jump through tjem

2018-11-03 17:37:59 UTC  

That is why things like SAT and GRE exist

2018-11-03 17:38:07 UTC  
2018-11-03 17:38:47 UTC  

While I was in the 90th percentile for grades, my ACT for my school was the 10th percentile

2018-11-03 17:39:04 UTC  

18:37] Yugure: We may hate the rings, but to reach our goals we need to jump through tjem

nope

2018-11-03 17:39:13 UTC  

Your 2.3 GPA was 90th percentile? For your school?

2018-11-03 17:39:36 UTC  

Not surprising with high school these days.

2018-11-03 17:39:37 UTC  

sat is flawed as well since at best it just determines one type of metric for intelligence at worst it rewards socioeconomic status because the top 10% school track essentially prepares students their whole lives for standardized testing