the pill is not safer

What a delightful change.

its about equal

See how easy that was?

So your saying that you should be allowed to have sex cause "feels"

When the person you talk to has a penis, presumptively, how easy it is for us to reply:

"Then fucking don't do that."

but still, if you have sex, and is your choice, and if a child comes about, its your fault too

If there's mutual relation ship between a father that's a horrible thought, a father should at most be able to see his children

I mean dont complain about a situation that was easily avoidable

Then try this, Codes:

@Grenade123 oh, how so?

Whenever you have a sob story, imagine the person having a penis.

If your reaction then is akin to the one you just had in response to Punks4Trump, then:

YOU ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN.

how so what?

Cause you choose to have sex @Redneo

Ah, because it was his fucking chioce?

is you choosing to have sex then resulting in a child your fault?

I dont chose to have a baby as a result of it

Do you remember the response I gave you how children are different from adults?

conesnt to sex is not consent to anything else

You chose to have sex

It's delightful how skillfully you can apply this standard when you talk to a man.

Sex=Reproduction

if the condom breaks, its the woman's fault when there is a child?

dont have sex

no babe

this is like the reverse of the argument we just had

@Grenade123 its her choice to keep it, yes.

Take this line and use it with your single mom next time.

The response will be revealing, I promise.

Actually undead

I would tell a women the same thing

BUt you are not.

Dont have sex

becuase there are no women here

Okay so the best way I'm describing is it trying to clean shit but there's more shit still coming in

OMG MIND BLOWN

Instead you sit here and argue for 7 fucking hours why your mom had no responsibility.

okay, perhaps i'm a bit presumptuous, but i don't see leaving a child on the street after being born in a dumpster as a good thing.

Huh?

and both parents are responsible at that point

Yes, but the woman has a few dozen choices to abandon the child.