Message from @Maggie The Magpie

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2019-09-19 08:14:28 UTC  

Fascism condemned what it viewed as widespread character traits that it associated as the typical bourgeois mentality that it opposed, such as materialism, crassness, cowardice, inability to comprehend the heroic ideal of the fascist "warrior"; and associations with liberalism, individualism and parliamentarianism.

2019-09-19 08:14:55 UTC  

"national socialism was based more around marxism than fascism" direct quote of yours buddy

2019-09-19 08:15:20 UTC  

While fascism denounced the mainstream internationalist and Marxist socialisms, it claimed to economically represent a type of nationalist productivist socialism that while condemning parasitical capitalism.

2019-09-19 08:16:45 UTC  

While fascism accepted the importance of material wealth and power, it condemned materialism which identified as being present in both communism and capitalism and criticized materialism for lacking acknowledgement of the role of the spirit. In particular, fascists criticized capitalism not because of its competitive nature nor support of private property, which fascists supported—but due to its materialism, individualism, alleged bourgeois decadence and alleged indifference to the nation.fascism denounced Marxism for its advocacy of materialist internationalist class identity, which fascists regarded as an attack upon the emotional and spiritual bonds of the nation and a threat to the achievement of genuine national solidarity

2019-09-19 08:17:51 UTC  

I didn't call it Marxism I said it was based on it. Marxism is based around redistribution of wealth, a welfare State, and having the State control wealth and industry. The NSDAP platform called for redistribution of wealth and Nationalizing industry.

2019-09-19 08:19:32 UTC  

No it didn't

2019-09-19 08:19:59 UTC  

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490588932992532500/624157733050122260/0ce1727c45e220ac13ff50f5fe40518e.png

2019-09-19 08:20:43 UTC  

faced with the mass unemployment and poverty of the Great Depression, the Nazis found it necessary to set up charitable institutions to help Germans in order to maintain popular support, while arguing that this represented "self-help" and not indiscriminate charity or universal social welfare. Thus, Nazi programs such as the Winter Relief of the German People and the broader National Socialist People's Welfare (NSV) were organized as quasi-private institutions, officially relying on private donations from Germans to help others of their race—

2019-09-19 08:21:22 UTC  

Unlike the social welfare institutions of the Weimar Republic and the Christian charities, the NSV distributed assistance on explicitly national grounds. It provided support only to those who were "sound, capable of and willing to work, politically reliable, and willing and able to reproduce."

2019-09-19 08:21:52 UTC  

I like how I've just been sitting here spitting out facts, books and reports and all gravy can do is show a single piece of wiki paper

2019-09-19 08:23:26 UTC  

I did post Goebbels book answering a plethora of questions about their platform. I doubt he read it even though it's basically a pamphlet

2019-09-19 08:23:28 UTC  

So it's lying then, and that's not actually the Nazi platform

2019-09-19 08:24:14 UTC  

It's Wikipedia...

2019-09-19 08:24:38 UTC  

so we present actual facts from books that were written by the people who founded and ran Nazi Germany and the Italian socialist republic, reports by historians and economist's, and the interjection of people who lived there.

2019-09-19 08:24:50 UTC  

But gravy beats all this because he has a wiki picture.

2019-09-19 08:25:37 UTC  

Unbelievable, it makes me sad that some people get so hard-headed in their beliefs, that even in the face of certainty, their mind will not let them be wrong as a defense mechanism.

2019-09-19 08:25:43 UTC  

So it's lying

2019-09-19 08:26:12 UTC  

And that's not actually the Nazi platform Hitler himself announced in 1920

2019-09-19 08:26:45 UTC  

I have read all of the doctrines of fascism by Mussolini, I have read mein Kampf and the rise and fall, and I have read all of the books personally written by Mosley, I have also read books by both of the strasser Brothers.

2019-09-19 08:26:56 UTC  

And you're telling me that this one piece of wiki paper disproves all of that.

2019-09-19 08:27:29 UTC  
2019-09-19 08:28:17 UTC  

I've literally just been sitting here giving facts on facts on facts, and this man is just going to sit here, stick his fingers in his ears, and go lalalalala

2019-09-19 08:29:13 UTC  

That's the platform that Hitler himself gave at the Hofbräuhaus festival in 1920. I don't understand how a pamphlet by his propaganda minister is supposed to negate all of that when he himself said that is what the platform was.

2019-09-19 08:29:14 UTC  

The German programs are not funded by a redistribution of wealth, they were funded by The partially nationalized industries, and by internal loans.

2019-09-19 08:29:32 UTC  

That's still redistributing wealth

2019-09-19 08:29:53 UTC  

Ho boy

2019-09-19 08:29:58 UTC  

"Partially Nationalized"
Lol

2019-09-19 08:30:02 UTC  

So when you borrow money from a bank you are redistributing the wealth?

2019-09-19 08:30:39 UTC  

*redistributing the debt <:smug:621897343385600000>

2019-09-19 08:30:46 UTC  

How is that the same as the government taking your money and redistributing it to others who never pay it back?

2019-09-19 08:31:14 UTC  

You realize that Germans at that time were taxed less than the US is.

2019-09-19 08:31:21 UTC  

You mean, like taxes?

2019-09-19 08:31:56 UTC  

Taxation is theft!

2019-09-19 08:32:11 UTC  

That doesn't have anything thing to do with what I said

2019-09-19 08:32:16 UTC  

40 something per cent is theft, especially when it's spent on shit

2019-09-19 08:32:49 UTC  

But how was the government taking people's money?

2019-09-19 08:32:57 UTC  

Reasonable taxes spent on important social programs and infrastructure is not

2019-09-19 08:33:41 UTC  

How do you teach an individualist to love his volk? @Justin Burger (Major-GA)

2019-09-19 08:34:10 UTC  

I realised I was wrong when I read Mein Kampf

2019-09-19 08:34:43 UTC  

Unless a person is willing, you can't, the human brain is hardwired to defend someone's perceived notions.

2019-09-19 08:34:53 UTC  

I agree taxes are theft if it is spent on pointless things, but to me it's not the job of the government to provide welfare.