Message from @Rouqen

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2018-12-04 07:22:40 UTC  

Communism is the state to them

2018-12-04 07:22:43 UTC  

That is defined in the state

2018-12-04 07:22:49 UTC  

The state is just the means through which they wish to push their ideology

2018-12-04 07:22:55 UTC  

yes

2018-12-04 07:22:55 UTC  

Not anarcho communism, totalitarian communism

2018-12-04 07:22:59 UTC  

No, that would make them fascist rather than communist

2018-12-04 07:23:10 UTC  

Stalin wasn't a fascist

2018-12-04 07:23:16 UTC  

@Dusty Morgan I was saying this for years

2018-12-04 07:23:19 UTC  

That's socialist then.

2018-12-04 07:23:38 UTC  

Socialism is a means to communsim

2018-12-04 07:23:45 UTC  

The end goal of the USSR was communism

2018-12-04 07:23:46 UTC  

According to Marx, yeah.

2018-12-04 07:23:51 UTC  

And many people today.

2018-12-04 07:23:59 UTC  

Many view Socialism as the end goal also.

2018-12-04 07:24:07 UTC  

according to Lenin, Stalin too

2018-12-04 07:24:19 UTC  

They said so in their diaries

2018-12-04 07:24:29 UTC  

And speeches

2018-12-04 07:24:36 UTC  

It's not an end goal. If you follow the pathway of redistribution and the government seizure of private property you get communism

2018-12-04 07:24:42 UTC  

But either way they aren't worshipping the state. They're worshipping their ideology that they want the state to become

2018-12-04 07:24:52 UTC  

and then you get anarchism @DrWittMDPhD

2018-12-04 07:24:54 UTC  

Socialism and Communism have the same end goal but have different methods of achieving it

2018-12-04 07:25:03 UTC  

You get communism when the state doesn't exist anymore.

2018-12-04 07:25:03 UTC  

You can tame religions, make them more of a tradition of a secular world. Make it just an insignificant cultural aspect

2018-12-04 07:25:15 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-04 07:25:22 UTC  

Like pagans are today

2018-12-04 07:25:27 UTC  

they exist

2018-12-04 07:25:33 UTC  

No one gives a shit

2018-12-04 07:25:43 UTC  

But they do their thing

2018-12-04 07:25:56 UTC  

That's one of the defining factors of Communism. A stateless and classless society. That's why people claim 'true communism' has never been tried. Because it is a pipe dream, and every time it's been attempted it can never be reached.

2018-12-04 07:26:13 UTC  

We naturally form classes

2018-12-04 07:26:16 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-04 07:26:22 UTC  

Communism is unnatural thus

2018-12-04 07:26:35 UTC  

Crab?

2018-12-04 07:26:41 UTC  

Free speech is never dangerous. Not having free speech is always dangerous.

2018-12-04 07:26:48 UTC  

why crab?

2018-12-04 07:26:52 UTC  

Explain

2018-12-04 07:26:55 UTC  

Lots of society is unnatural. But communism is bad for far bigger reasons than that

2018-12-04 07:27:00 UTC  

Because lobster isn't an option

2018-12-04 07:27:06 UTC  

That woman in the video has grey eyes.