Here's what it boils down to
>Free will doesn't exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will doesn't matter because you are physically and mentally incapable of grasping what it means to be on a path you can't alter, there's no alternate step, your atoms vibrate as they have been ordained to.
>Free will does exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will existing or not doesn't matter because it's your choice to act the way you do, it was by your own free will to forfeit the responsibility to the intangible that is lack of free will

If every choice you make can only result in unitended consequences then you don't have free will.

It just means free will would be useless if nothing was causal

Either way you have to make an effort to do anything

BUT EITHER WAY THIS DOESN'T PROVE WHETHER FREE WILL EXISTS OR NOT

@Timcast Criticizing Migration Will Be ILLEGAL In Europe?!?! Video missed out the part where the MEP states any news outlet that critiques migration will be shut down. So it's not just criminalising that type of speech, its shutting down the press

look

this is what my philosophy professor struggled with

you're conflating definitions to extremes

it's very simple

both co-exist

Cause and effect exists
But it's not binary, it's not X happens therefore Z down the line is inevitable

Hard to say

it

is not hard to sayu

none of this should be difficult to understand

Fate is not a thing

fate is circumstance you are born into

agree or no

yes or no

I'm not talking about fate. I'm talking about chaotic systems

Meaning birthplace

?

The uncertainty principle supports determinism, postivist NPCs.

not just birthplace

Fate doesn't exist, but our past action influence our actions today.

birthplace, family, culture, etc

That is not fate

That can traced all the way to the moment of your birth.

ffs

that is the base

Not what will happen

I say in all honesty... we have limited free will.

this is not a conversation i can have wiht 5 people trying to have their own conversation

@Dusty Morgan.yes

If someone punches you in the face it's inevitable you're going to be sore and maybe bleed and swell, that's inevitable cause and effect
But then by your choice, you can either retaliate and punch back, or you can leave. That is by your will. Although you're influenced to get angry as a natural reaction to hostile pain, you still have a choice

^

holy fuck

This conversation is dumb. Everyone has different levels of understanding of the different concepts being discussed and is making it so no one understands each other.

how old is everyone here

we got them limbic systems