chaotic is non deterministic isn't it?

If causality does not exist, then you can't vonsciously cause anything to happen, so what use would free will be?

No

Chaotic is deterministic, but so complicated to appear as non-deterministic

free will is choice

no

choice is not about knowing what will happen when you choose it

Non deterministic is what mises meant by chaotic above.

But you can predict

people make mistakes when they make choices

ffs

Quite easily

the point is they have the freedom to make mistakes, that is free will.

fate can be called circumstance

you are all born into circumstance

You can predict because at the very least a lot of causal(I believe all), but that doesn't mean free will needs everything to be causal

thus there is fate and free will

Here's what it boils down to
>Free will doesn't exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will doesn't matter because you are physically and mentally incapable of grasping what it means to be on a path you can't alter, there's no alternate step, your atoms vibrate as they have been ordained to.
>Free will does exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will existing or not doesn't matter because it's your choice to act the way you do, it was by your own free will to forfeit the responsibility to the intangible that is lack of free will

If every choice you make can only result in unitended consequences then you don't have free will.

It just means free will would be useless if nothing was causal

Either way you have to make an effort to do anything

BUT EITHER WAY THIS DOESN'T PROVE WHETHER FREE WILL EXISTS OR NOT

@Timcast Criticizing Migration Will Be ILLEGAL In Europe?!?! Video missed out the part where the MEP states any news outlet that critiques migration will be shut down. So it's not just criminalising that type of speech, its shutting down the press

look

this is what my philosophy professor struggled with

you're conflating definitions to extremes

it's very simple

both co-exist

Cause and effect exists
But it's not binary, it's not X happens therefore Z down the line is inevitable

Hard to say

it

is not hard to sayu

none of this should be difficult to understand

Fate is not a thing

fate is circumstance you are born into

agree or no

yes or no

I'm not talking about fate. I'm talking about chaotic systems

Meaning birthplace

?

The uncertainty principle supports determinism, postivist NPCs.