Message from @halfthink

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2018-12-04 07:47:25 UTC  

willing something is wanting to do it and making it happen

2018-12-04 07:47:28 UTC  

you don't know what you want to do

2018-12-04 07:47:32 UTC  

you may have an idea

2018-12-04 07:47:37 UTC  

that idea may not be total

2018-12-04 07:47:44 UTC  

you may want to CUM

2018-12-04 07:47:50 UTC  

you end up rubbing your dick too hard

2018-12-04 07:47:55 UTC  

you end up fucking a rabbit

2018-12-04 07:48:15 UTC  

get more specific

2018-12-04 07:48:17 UTC  

monkey's paw

2018-12-04 07:48:29 UTC  

only three wishes

2018-12-04 07:48:43 UTC  

His argument is stupid. It for some reason conflates chaotic systems as being non-deterministic, and assumes that if one thing isn't deterministic then nothing is.

2018-12-04 07:48:48 UTC  

who

2018-12-04 07:48:52 UTC  

Mises

2018-12-04 07:49:10 UTC  

chaotic is non deterministic isn't it?

2018-12-04 07:49:13 UTC  

If causality does not exist, then you can't vonsciously cause anything to happen, so what use would free will be?

2018-12-04 07:49:13 UTC  

No

2018-12-04 07:49:35 UTC  

Chaotic is deterministic, but so complicated to appear as non-deterministic

2018-12-04 07:49:37 UTC  

free will is choice

2018-12-04 07:49:42 UTC  

no

2018-12-04 07:49:51 UTC  

choice is not about knowing what will happen when you choose it

2018-12-04 07:49:53 UTC  

Non deterministic is what mises meant by chaotic above.

2018-12-04 07:50:01 UTC  

But you can predict

2018-12-04 07:50:03 UTC  

people make mistakes when they make choices

2018-12-04 07:50:04 UTC  

ffs

2018-12-04 07:50:08 UTC  

Quite easily

2018-12-04 07:50:17 UTC  

the point is they have the freedom to make mistakes, that is free will.

2018-12-04 07:50:42 UTC  

fate can be called circumstance

2018-12-04 07:50:47 UTC  

you are all born into circumstance

2018-12-04 07:50:51 UTC  

You can predict because at the very least a lot of causal(I believe all), but that doesn't mean free will needs everything to be causal

2018-12-04 07:50:51 UTC  

thus there is fate and free will

2018-12-04 07:51:00 UTC  

Here's what it boils down to
>Free will doesn't exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will doesn't matter because you are physically and mentally incapable of grasping what it means to be on a path you can't alter, there's no alternate step, your atoms vibrate as they have been ordained to.
>Free will does exist
Therefore your life under the presumption of free will existing or not doesn't matter because it's your choice to act the way you do, it was by your own free will to forfeit the responsibility to the intangible that is lack of free will

2018-12-04 07:51:06 UTC  

If every choice you make can only result in unitended consequences then you don't have free will.

2018-12-04 07:51:12 UTC  

It just means free will would be useless if nothing was causal

2018-12-04 07:51:13 UTC  

Either way you have to make an effort to do anything

2018-12-04 07:51:28 UTC  

BUT EITHER WAY THIS DOESN'T PROVE WHETHER FREE WILL EXISTS OR NOT

2018-12-04 07:51:33 UTC  

@Timcast Criticizing Migration Will Be ILLEGAL In Europe?!?! Video missed out the part where the MEP states any news outlet that critiques migration will be shut down. So it's not just criminalising that type of speech, its shutting down the press

2018-12-04 07:51:35 UTC  

look

2018-12-04 07:51:46 UTC  

this is what my philosophy professor struggled with

2018-12-04 07:51:52 UTC  

you're conflating definitions to extremes

2018-12-04 07:51:55 UTC  

it's very simple

2018-12-04 07:52:00 UTC  

both co-exist