Message from @Gilgamesh

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2018-12-04 07:45:48 UTC  

that seems

2018-12-04 07:45:51 UTC  

I only read the first sentence because it seems dumb. Why does he think that the universe being chaotic means it's not predictable?

2018-12-04 07:46:03 UTC  

Chaotic systems are in their very nature predictable.

2018-12-04 07:46:09 UTC  

freedom can't exist without non-freedom?

2018-12-04 07:46:21 UTC  

it's a false argument

2018-12-04 07:46:25 UTC  

why are we arguing this shit

2018-12-04 07:46:35 UTC  

i already said that free will and fate coexist

2018-12-04 07:46:38 UTC  

that's obviously true

2018-12-04 07:46:45 UTC  

How can you change the world if it is impossible to understand?

2018-12-04 07:46:58 UTC  

you can change it while being ignorant

2018-12-04 07:47:00 UTC  

easily

2018-12-04 07:47:08 UTC  

you just do something without knowing what will happen

2018-12-04 07:47:13 UTC  

How is that a willful action?

2018-12-04 07:47:18 UTC  

because you will it

2018-12-04 07:47:25 UTC  

willing something is wanting to do it and making it happen

2018-12-04 07:47:28 UTC  

you don't know what you want to do

2018-12-04 07:47:32 UTC  

you may have an idea

2018-12-04 07:47:37 UTC  

that idea may not be total

2018-12-04 07:47:44 UTC  

you may want to CUM

2018-12-04 07:47:50 UTC  

you end up rubbing your dick too hard

2018-12-04 07:47:55 UTC  

you end up fucking a rabbit

2018-12-04 07:48:15 UTC  

get more specific

2018-12-04 07:48:17 UTC  

monkey's paw

2018-12-04 07:48:29 UTC  

only three wishes

2018-12-04 07:48:43 UTC  

His argument is stupid. It for some reason conflates chaotic systems as being non-deterministic, and assumes that if one thing isn't deterministic then nothing is.

2018-12-04 07:48:48 UTC  

who

2018-12-04 07:48:52 UTC  

Mises

2018-12-04 07:49:10 UTC  

chaotic is non deterministic isn't it?

2018-12-04 07:49:13 UTC  

If causality does not exist, then you can't vonsciously cause anything to happen, so what use would free will be?

2018-12-04 07:49:13 UTC  

No

2018-12-04 07:49:35 UTC  

Chaotic is deterministic, but so complicated to appear as non-deterministic

2018-12-04 07:49:37 UTC  

free will is choice

2018-12-04 07:49:42 UTC  

no

2018-12-04 07:49:51 UTC  

choice is not about knowing what will happen when you choose it

2018-12-04 07:49:53 UTC  

Non deterministic is what mises meant by chaotic above.

2018-12-04 07:50:01 UTC  

But you can predict

2018-12-04 07:50:03 UTC  

people make mistakes when they make choices

2018-12-04 07:50:04 UTC  

ffs

2018-12-04 07:50:08 UTC  

Quite easily

2018-12-04 07:50:17 UTC  

the point is they have the freedom to make mistakes, that is free will.

2018-12-04 07:50:42 UTC  

fate can be called circumstance