How does man gain, keep, or obtain these

What place do they come from?

math doesnt define squares or circles, either. It works from far more basic axioms. Thats the point in such a system

How depends on you

and your situation

No it does

thats the strength

Its standard is reality

It defines a formula to calculate this object

yes it does

wait

you are talking math

Its standard to know is non contradicting logic

hedonism doesnt contradict anything, either

We went over this

If there is someone with cancer in heavy pain begging you to give him a lethal dose of morphine, that would be a good thing. Doing the same to a happy child would be bad. I dont think your system would be consistent like this

That didnt refute anything like I said hedonism fails to define many things

and it SHOULDNT define these things

thats an empirical question

the things you are looking for

What are values, how do they benefit me, how do I keep them, to what standard are they based, how do I know which ones are consistent?

im not sure values can be inconsistent. They are whatever you value. Perfctly consistent right there

the standart is net-pleasure

is there a happy medium between hedonism and stoicism?

@AHeroQuest is it even a contradiction?

Yeah have a little poison with that food

Sorry but thats a contradiction

you can be ascetic and a hedonist.

if you value a simple life, perfectly consistent with hedonism.

Except to what standard is something a value?

Btw guess what! Hedonism doesnt define this

there can never be a "standart" for a value

Thus leading to contradictions

Values are allways subjective. Theycant be anything but subjective

Lol

This is too good

thats what value literaly means

something that is valued by someone

It can be objective lol

Life as the standard

why should life be valuable?