To make this point fully clear, try to imagine an immortal, indestructible robot, an entity which moves and acts, but which cannot be affected by anything, which cannot be changed in any respect, which cannot be damaged, injured or destroyed. Such an entity would not be able to have any values; it would have nothing to gain or to lose; it could not regard anything as for or against it, as serving or threatening its welfare, as fulfilling or frustrating its interests. It could have no interests and no goals.

why couldnt it have interest and goals? I dont think you sufficiently established that. Playing with legos is also not related to any of those needs one could have, you can still find pleasure in doing so

Because it has no way to gain or keep

It also has no risk

Punks, you do know that Make is literally quoting Ayn Rand as scripture, right?

i figured to some degree

Pleasure is fueled by mans metaphysical need to sustain his life

as for risk, even that robot could seek out risks of one form or anothter. Maybe it can play dark souls?

well if pleasure is fueld by whatever you say is valuable, then arent you a hedonist?

No

I already told you why

and nothing of it made the slightest bit of sense

How?

*explain in more simple terms @Existence is identity please.*

It doesnt define any of these lol

Just scroll up

Thats like calling me a Nietzscheian for being an egoist

you keep attacking hedonism, no the ball is in your park now. HOW could value EVER be related to anything objective?

It is objective in the context of life

While life is objective in the context of existence

life is objective in so far as that it exists

as does pleasure, btw

so. . . we value life as an objective. . . ?

Yes and values are the tools to sustain it

why would i WANT to sustain it?

that requires me to first value it

and you cant give an objective reason for that

To be consistent with reality

Its objective in the context of reality

no if i dont value it then me not valuing it IS reality

No its a contradiction

can an argument be made that we value different tools depending on where we live?

yeah your philosophy sure is a massive contradiction...

Okay budd

objective value 😄

Lol

This is sad

Ill leave this here

Punk, Make Russia , buddies, the only background of philosophy I grasp was the basics in critical thinking and a tiny percentage of jordan peterson. I am trying to understand but I am not seeing where I'm going wrong

That was directed at me

no make, you have proven you dont understand ANY philosophy