Message from @Existence is identity
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i do, buuuut i dont have to for any objective reason
To make this point fully clear, try to imagine an immortal, indestructible robot, an entity which moves and acts, but which cannot be affected by anything, which cannot be changed in any respect, which cannot be damaged, injured or destroyed. Such an entity would not be able to have any values; it would have nothing to gain or to lose; it could not regard anything as for or against it, as serving or threatening its welfare, as fulfilling or frustrating its interests. It could have no interests and no goals.
why couldnt it have interest and goals? I dont think you sufficiently established that. Playing with legos is also not related to any of those needs one could have, you can still find pleasure in doing so
Because it has no way to gain or keep
It also has no risk
Punks, you do know that Make is literally quoting Ayn Rand as scripture, right?
i figured to some degree
Pleasure is fueled by mans metaphysical need to sustain his life
as for risk, even that robot could seek out risks of one form or anothter. Maybe it can play dark souls?
well if pleasure is fueld by whatever you say is valuable, then arent you a hedonist?
No
I already told you why
and nothing of it made the slightest bit of sense
How?
*explain in more simple terms @Existence is identity please.*
It doesnt define any of these lol
Just scroll up
Thats like calling me a Nietzscheian for being an egoist
you keep attacking hedonism, no the ball is in your park now. HOW could value EVER be related to anything objective?
It is objective in the context of life
life is objective in so far as that it exists
as does pleasure, btw
so. . . we value life as an objective. . . ?
Yes and values are the tools to sustain it
why would i WANT to sustain it?
that requires me to first value it
and you cant give an objective reason for that
To be consistent with reality
Its objective in the context of reality
no if i dont value it then me not valuing it IS reality
No its a contradiction
can an argument be made that we value different tools depending on where we live?
yeah your philosophy sure is a massive contradiction...
Okay budd
objective value 😄
Lol
This is sad
Punk, Make Russia , buddies, the only background of philosophy I grasp was the basics in critical thinking and a tiny percentage of jordan peterson. I am trying to understand but I am not seeing where I'm going wrong
That was directed at me