Yes and values are the tools to sustain it

why would i WANT to sustain it?

that requires me to first value it

and you cant give an objective reason for that

To be consistent with reality

Its objective in the context of reality

no if i dont value it then me not valuing it IS reality

No its a contradiction

can an argument be made that we value different tools depending on where we live?

yeah your philosophy sure is a massive contradiction...

Okay budd

objective value 😄

Lol

This is sad

Ill leave this here

Punk, Make Russia , buddies, the only background of philosophy I grasp was the basics in critical thinking and a tiny percentage of jordan peterson. I am trying to understand but I am not seeing where I'm going wrong

That was directed at me

no make, you have proven you dont understand ANY philosophy

Okay bud

anything paticular you are struggling with @AHeroQuest

i have a few youtubes too that deal with philosophy, ill seek a few links

How about you read the virtue of selfishness and tell me everything wrong with it

How does it contradict itself

Make Russia, what I do not understand is why we have to choose between two *extreme views* on living life

@AHeroQuest i dont think its extreme,actualy.

hedonism anyways isnt.

https://youtu.be/INZfPHFzFAI

ethical hedonism pretty much is our medical ethics

@AHeroQuest Extreme doesnt mean bad lol

For something not to be extreme means it contradicts its own logic

@AHeroQuest https://www.youtube.com/user/SisyphusRedeemed some basic philosophy starting with the philosophy of science itself, from https://www.youtube.com/user/AntiCitizenX the meditations are probably of interest.

long videos

i agree that extreme doesnt mean bad. Hedonism for one, espacialy ethical hedonism is extremly libertarian

not restrictive to "objective value" what you want to push

Eww Libertarians

And i dont mean libertarian free will. There is no possible world in which libertarian free will could possibly exist

No I just dislike them

Maybe it would help if I use an example of how I see this argument:
As I have already mentioned, I live in Las Vegas, where it is known for its sex. Under hedonism, the view of sex should be to have it whenever and wherever to the extreme because of how pleasurable it is. Under stoicism, sex should be seen as absolutely abhorrent and should be prohibited at any cost.

@AHeroQuest no. that is NOT the view of hedonism

thats the view of cyrenaics. Its often confused for hedonism @AHeroQuest

Objectivism says to work in your best long term interests