Message from @Existence is identity

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2018-12-14 22:16:48 UTC  

So mans interests dont matter?

2018-12-14 22:16:57 UTC  

voluntarism does not work

2018-12-14 22:16:59 UTC  

Like I said mercy of any group

2018-12-14 22:17:00 UTC  

it never will

2018-12-14 22:17:25 UTC  

"If you disagree with me, you're asking me to deny reason".

Now *that's* a quality strawman.

2018-12-14 22:17:48 UTC  

How is it rational for me to work against my own interests

2018-12-14 22:17:51 UTC  

?

2018-12-14 22:18:02 UTC  

Because your nature exists partially outside the individual.

2018-12-14 22:18:11 UTC  

Man is a social animal. His identity is partially communal.

2018-12-14 22:18:12 UTC  

How?

2018-12-14 22:18:33 UTC  

In so much as you are a part of a social whole, you have obligations to that society.

2018-12-14 22:18:43 UTC  

In what way?

2018-12-14 22:18:43 UTC  

if humans are isolated, they go insane

2018-12-14 22:18:47 UTC  

Your consent to such a state was given when you became a part of it.

2018-12-14 22:18:56 UTC  
2018-12-14 22:19:08 UTC  

why do you think solitary confinement is used as a punishment

2018-12-14 22:19:35 UTC  

Its painful because man cant pursue his values

2018-12-14 22:19:50 UTC  

no it's because we yearn for social connections

2018-12-14 22:20:05 UTC  

You have any studies?

2018-12-14 22:20:35 UTC  

let me find one real quick

2018-12-14 22:20:36 UTC  

What makes your claim more credible compared to mine?

2018-12-14 22:21:02 UTC  

Also how would man in nature survive without people?

2018-12-14 22:21:21 UTC  

man historically has congregated

2018-12-14 22:21:29 UTC  

that's why we have civilization

2018-12-14 22:21:50 UTC  

Apes are rarely solitary creatures as well.

2018-12-14 22:21:52 UTC  

We have civilization because man can use others as a means to achieve his goals

2018-12-14 22:22:09 UTC  

think of regulation. Back in the 80s then every single piece for every part of a computer was proprietary to model and manafacturer. It wasn't until the 90s that government made (and industry capitulated) standards spread and became common use. Think of what state the PC building world would be if it was still like that?

2018-12-14 22:22:15 UTC  

Apes are also social animals, astute observation.

2018-12-14 22:22:16 UTC  

People work alone crafting something all the time

2018-12-14 22:23:02 UTC  

even in a free market, there is a natural inclination to form a goverment of kinds anyway like the IEEE

2018-12-14 22:23:12 UTC  

Not an ancap

2018-12-14 22:23:31 UTC  

ancap just does what henry ford did and shoot dissenters

2018-12-14 22:24:04 UTC  

^

2018-12-14 22:24:15 UTC  

Rewind 2018 has 11M dislikes now

2018-12-14 22:24:18 UTC  

lol

2018-12-14 22:24:23 UTC  

and if you have sufficient monopoly power and no government, what's to stop you?

2018-12-14 22:24:32 UTC  

can't boycott you

2018-12-14 22:24:38 UTC  

^

2018-12-14 22:24:44 UTC  

and yes, henry ford had strike breakers shoot and kill people striking against his company

2018-12-14 22:24:57 UTC  

It is impossible to control all the water or food supply