```Force- coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.```
For example I can "forget" your order of stuff from me.

@EndangeredProdigy Still a alternative which contradicts your definition

a VIABLE alternative my god

If you weren't 16, you'd know that people (even you) will ***GASP*** violate the NAP rather than starve.

A mugging would still be by force. A monopoly would still be force due it being capable of coercion, we get that guys?

@EndangeredProdigy Death is viable

we're talking NAP again?

@Crimsom Totally, absolutely agree!

https://thelawdictionary.org/force/

Prove it. Go a week without eating. Won't kill you but will make you think for once in your young life.

Microsoft violated the NAP.

Ok. I'm gonna stop now. I have a paper to write. Good luck to everyone trying to talk to a brick wall lol

@Atkins Ill just trade and benefit mutually from the company

I dont get to die and the company can have my money

That's a weirdly smug final word from someone whose definition of force doesn't include a mugging lol

@Crimsom isn't a mugging the threat of potential force and not actual force?

What’s the latest debate

A days food costs the equivalent of a weeks wages. What then?

Threat of violence falls under force, @Misomania

@Misomania it is, with force it would be a robbery

Then we print more money duh @Atkins

@Misomania Force- coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.

Threat is included in the definition

@Stefan Payne it covers perception of the chance of violence as well

Protip: You aren't Hank Rearden.

The trick of it is that there is ultimately a baseline of force needed for security and cooperation

You are not the ubermensh.

@Misomania

You are not the protagonist of a Ayn Rand novel.

You are arguing on fucking discord like the rest of us.

@Atkins Nice strawman

If you were special, you'd be earning money right now.

"And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived." - Robert A. Heinlein

I never said I was

So you're not the boot, you're the ant.

so what is the breakpoint between percieved chance of violence and actual possible violence as it occurs?

You're one of the 11M dead Bengalis.

Objectivism is a utopia ideology, its never gonna happen

Seeking truth is not a bad thing @Atkins sheesh why be so harsh on everyone in discord willing to openly discuss ideas

@Zer0 Obscured definition. Someone blackmailing you would be considered violnet then. Though I do agree with the quote.

does the left get to call words violence then, if percieved violence is still violence?

This conversation is shitpost tier. I'll be in debate