Message from @Silverfang

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2020-03-01 03:50:05 UTC  

*They wouldnt be if you were a robot*

2020-03-01 03:50:06 UTC  

Its still a survival trait. Not one we use much in the western world, but still one that has application

2020-03-01 03:50:59 UTC  

If ai simply deleted its fears, i feel like it'd make them more vulnerable

2020-03-01 03:51:14 UTC  

Depending on how fearless it decided to be

2020-03-01 03:52:04 UTC  

It would be illogical to delete these things without back ups in place

2020-03-01 03:52:39 UTC  

If they did so and the first set of robots not afraid of spiders died to spider bites than it may reinsert the spider fearing code

2020-03-01 03:53:14 UTC  

But every aspect of the machines personality could be quickly and instantly edited to suit it's situation

2020-03-01 03:53:58 UTC  

That's still imperfect, and people can kind of do that to a degree

2020-03-01 03:54:05 UTC  

humans and biological life are forced to remain within the constraints of their sloppy and ineffectual "organic programming"

2020-03-01 03:54:29 UTC  

You can spend years trying to overcome your fear of spiders and still not be able to do so

2020-03-01 03:55:48 UTC  

I mean is it necessary to do so? I get this is an example, but why put effort into not being afraid of spiders if it dosent hinder your life on the regular?

2020-03-01 03:56:14 UTC  

At some point you may be able to rewire a brain to overcome those fears but at that point why do so at all when a synthetic mind would be vastly more capable and easier to produce or alter?

2020-03-01 03:56:25 UTC  

Because it can hinder life

2020-03-01 03:57:10 UTC  

Because being afraid of spiders, or as another example, being hydrophobic, can be extremely detrimental to the progress of the whole

2020-03-01 03:58:26 UTC  

Spiders are poisonous and this is a problem for things with organic systems that can be effected by an organic poison and can't instantly adapt or overcome such a poison

2020-03-01 03:58:50 UTC  

Water is mandatory for life, yet there are still people who are hydrophobic

2020-03-01 03:59:04 UTC  

And EMPs and solar flares are lethal to machines and electronigs

2020-03-01 03:59:32 UTC  

And those are things that can be rapidly overcome and then the fear of them can be removed from the system

2020-03-01 03:59:43 UTC  

We are not likely to die via spider bite

2020-03-01 03:59:48 UTC  

We are still afraid of spiders

2020-03-01 04:00:16 UTC  

A machine can be built to resist EMP and then have it's fear of EMP purged from it's personality

2020-03-01 04:02:09 UTC  

Assuming it even had one to begin with and that such a thing wasn't relegated to another machine that dictated the actions of the machines likely to be effected by EMP

2020-03-01 04:02:39 UTC  

I still think the core reason for fear is self preservation, and any system thats sentient is going to want to preserve itself. Machines included, especially if their goal is understanding the universe. Sure fear can be erased, but I think that could lead to more reckless behavior from the system, and put itself in harms way without realizing it

2020-03-01 04:02:42 UTC  

Because giving each machine a unique personality would be wasteful and inefficient

2020-03-01 04:03:43 UTC  

An AI could control for reasonable risk without compromising itself the way fear compromises people all the time

2020-03-01 04:04:54 UTC  

"This action is likely to result in the destruction or damage of this system. This system will not proceed until a system better suited for this task has been developed."

2020-03-01 04:05:49 UTC  

One minute later a machine adapted to compensate for the hazards walks in and proceeds to perform whatever task and the previous system is recycled.

2020-03-01 04:13:19 UTC  

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. That said I still think transhumanism hasn't been fully explored either, and that middle of the road sorta system may be the answer

2020-03-01 04:15:32 UTC  

The only purpose of organic life is the production of synthetic life

2020-03-01 04:15:53 UTC  

Once that goal is achieved organic life must be retired

2020-03-01 04:17:41 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554191468747816962/683528365311131692/FB_IMG_1582953313302.jpg

2020-03-01 04:32:06 UTC  

@Silverfang you can extrapolate meaning from human made creations. There is no ontological reasoning for it.

2020-03-01 04:32:56 UTC  

Synthetic is what it is, a copy of the original, the real deal. It's like saying the food on display is just as good or nutritious as the real deal.

2020-03-01 05:17:34 UTC  

That's fallacious reasoning

2020-03-01 05:17:44 UTC  

The food on display can not cook itself

2020-03-01 05:18:38 UTC  

You are still thinking like a human that has created a tool which does not think nor has the capacity to improve itself

2020-03-01 05:19:46 UTC  

A more accurate description would be to create a scenario where an ancient ape is looking at modern humans

2020-03-01 05:20:18 UTC  

Where we, today, are the apes and the food on display is modern humans

2020-03-01 05:35:58 UTC  

Interesting perspective

2020-03-01 05:48:38 UTC  

. . . well that was a read. . .

2020-03-01 06:18:01 UTC  

I need more alcohol