god is a concept of a manlike being that possesses great power. If you are a man, you can hypothesize manx10000000 @Gilgamesh

your point @mateitheking

But the reason can be variating based on the observer

@Rouqen i disagree. I don't think god is manlike

@mateitheking an observer by definition cant be objective

Yeah yeah

unless you mean a camera

An objective truth as God

Yes

Facts

Science

or a glass of water thats tipped over by me falling down

Gods nature is the laws of logic

you're conflating logic and facts with god

if he knows this he knows that it is truth

they are not the same

Exactly

Without God you can't have logic

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Logic is eternal unchanging and universal

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Theists can't imagene a world without god #345

relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence —used chiefly in medieval philosophy
b: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind

We just exist

Objective^

you can't say without god we wouldn't have logic, you can't prove god

we can prove logic

did you just copy and paste a definition?

appeal to definition fallacy

Logic is a very provable concept

No i wrote it down in a second

God however

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i agree logic is provable

not the point

@Gilgamesh how do you prove it?

inherent reason

@mateitheking proof that logic exists then.

@Rouqen how do you prove it?

okay