Message from @momoneymoproblems

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2019-01-23 17:03:32 UTC  

Well people like Sarah Hanson-Young push the greens ever further left

2019-01-23 17:03:54 UTC  

There is no reason why environmentalism needs to be left wing, IMO.

2019-01-23 17:04:12 UTC  

In fact, it seems a logical cause for someone who considers themselves conservative.

2019-01-23 17:04:45 UTC  

Conservatives would be fine with it but the amount of govt subsidies given to renewables makes it not feasible

2019-01-23 17:04:58 UTC  

Alan Jones is on about that stuff all the time

2019-01-23 17:05:00 UTC  

What do you mean?

2019-01-23 17:05:09 UTC  

Also i need to make this clear. I am not in defense of the elites. Just giving out a question. If it sounds like im defending then you dont understand the concept that i for one aint liking the playbook they use

2019-01-23 17:05:15 UTC  

The tech needs a kcikstart before the market can take oevr.

2019-01-23 17:05:30 UTC  

And Oz is the one place where renewables would actually work well.

2019-01-23 17:05:35 UTC  

Or one of the places.

2019-01-23 17:05:40 UTC  

TEXAS HAS MORE WIND ENERGY THAN THE ENTIRE NATION HAS SOLAR YOU GUYD

2019-01-23 17:05:41 UTC  

It has basically everything.

2019-01-23 17:05:53 UTC  

Renewable energy is far more expensive than coal generation right now

2019-01-23 17:06:07 UTC  

Sure. But it won't be once the tech is mature.

2019-01-23 17:06:07 UTC  

Power costs have skyrocketed especially in Vic because of it

2019-01-23 17:06:18 UTC  

yeah but Australia can afford to wait

2019-01-23 17:06:23 UTC  

And that's where state intervention helps.

2019-01-23 17:06:26 UTC  

If the tech ever has enough ppl u mean

2019-01-23 17:06:34 UTC  

Since u knlw education and what not

2019-01-23 17:06:40 UTC  

But state intervention has lead to year on year 200% power price increases

2019-01-23 17:06:45 UTC  

more in victoria

2019-01-23 17:06:51 UTC  

Well that's bad policy.

2019-01-23 17:06:58 UTC  

Renewable energy can play havoc with animal populations though

2019-01-23 17:07:10 UTC  

well the whole wind farms do chop up birds

2019-01-23 17:07:17 UTC  

The original carbon trading scheme wasn't necessarily bad policy.

2019-01-23 17:07:29 UTC  

IIRC hydroelectric also causes problems with fish, especially salmon

2019-01-23 17:07:30 UTC  

Killed a ton of businesses here

2019-01-23 17:07:40 UTC  

Large independent hardware stores were killed by it

2019-01-23 17:07:56 UTC  

Others too but that was a big one in this area

2019-01-23 17:07:58 UTC  

Australia has solar coverage for PV, good potential for solar thermal, wind, waves, some geothermal potential.

2019-01-23 17:08:18 UTC  

It would wind up being much cheaper than coal.

2019-01-23 17:08:22 UTC  

Australia has a ton of space for solar too

2019-01-23 17:08:30 UTC  

But requires some capital.

2019-01-23 17:08:33 UTC  

Largest exporter of Uranium in the world and we dont have nuclear

2019-01-23 17:08:41 UTC  

Yesp, that's dumb.

2019-01-23 17:08:43 UTC  

But the taxpayer has to foot the bill and many cant afford it

2019-01-23 17:08:48 UTC  

for renewables

2019-01-23 17:08:57 UTC  

That's backwards.

2019-01-23 17:09:04 UTC  

people gonna start dying in the heat because they can't afford to turn on the AC

2019-01-23 17:09:10 UTC  

Put kangaroos on hamster wheels hooked to a generator

2019-01-23 17:09:18 UTC  

If the taxpayer foots the bill, it shields individuals from cost increases.