I'd say both. Since they were sanctioned by the pope, they were holy in essence

But economic in practice

It was viewed as retaliation for byzantium massacring roman catholics in 1182

i wonder is the crusaders got PTSD after raping muslim women

i don't thing PTSD was a thing back then.

they didn't invent PTSD until the first world war

@momoneymoproblems I bet the Jihads were perfectly reasonable and justifiable to the muslims as well.

And venice basically financed that crusade

so?

Didnt the first crusade get as far as the Balkans and raid everyone?

does that mean the crusaders aren't allowed to respond

Of course not

Didnt every crusade was a glorified raid?

just bend over and get fucked by invasions?

modern thinking is that PTSD is largely due to people being without some sort of peer group after the event

like soldiers returning home and leaving their units.

wait

Oh yeah yeah

Hmm im pretty sure is due to traumatic memories tho

we're talking about PTSD or STD?

@Atkins I can see that

the roman empire more or less defined historical christian borders

you experience shit that only other soldiers in your unit can relate to you with, trying to relate those experiences to anyone else is just alienating

PTSD was around in medieval times

hmmm maybe

sound interesting

keeping in mind that soldiers didn't return to normal lives after war

i might be able to find the video, skallagrim did one on it iirc

and stayed with their brothers in arms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZMSmcuiXM

but i do believe it existed from the moment humans could reason

Soldiers had it way better during the Roman empire. Do your tour, get paid, get a plot of land and political rights.

i don't think many soldiers had PTSD, compared to raided villages survivors.

that also its true tho

@Samer I kinda wonder about that

since soldiers in ancient times wouldn't have the experience of leaving their unit a few months after a traumatic event (or at least not as often), PTSD probably wasn't as prevalent. they'd be on campaign for years at a stretch.

Maybe also slaves?

the romanticized view puts crusaders as a bunch of psychopaths

but given how rare psychopaths actually are in a population, most of them were just normal guys

i dont blame the crusaders, they were tools

i blame the religion and the pope