Message from @Strufa

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2019-01-29 01:11:38 UTC  

we're talking about PTSD or STD?

2019-01-29 01:11:41 UTC  

@Atkins I can see that

2019-01-29 01:11:42 UTC  

the roman empire more or less defined historical christian borders

2019-01-29 01:12:15 UTC  

you experience shit that only other soldiers in your unit can relate to you with, trying to relate those experiences to anyone else is just alienating

2019-01-29 01:12:33 UTC  

PTSD was around in medieval times

2019-01-29 01:12:34 UTC  

hmmm maybe

2019-01-29 01:12:36 UTC  

sound interesting

2019-01-29 01:12:37 UTC  

keeping in mind that soldiers didn't return to normal lives after war

2019-01-29 01:12:45 UTC  

i might be able to find the video, skallagrim did one on it iirc

2019-01-29 01:12:46 UTC  

and stayed with their brothers in arms.

2019-01-29 01:12:55 UTC  

but i do believe it existed from the moment humans could reason

2019-01-29 01:13:23 UTC  

Soldiers had it way better during the Roman empire. Do your tour, get paid, get a plot of land and political rights.

2019-01-29 01:13:24 UTC  

i don't think many soldiers had PTSD, compared to raided villages survivors.

2019-01-29 01:13:47 UTC  

that also its true tho

2019-01-29 01:14:11 UTC  

@Samer I kinda wonder about that

2019-01-29 01:14:12 UTC  

since soldiers in ancient times wouldn't have the experience of leaving their unit a few months after a traumatic event (or at least not as often), PTSD probably wasn't as prevalent. they'd be on campaign for years at a stretch.

2019-01-29 01:14:19 UTC  

Maybe also slaves?

2019-01-29 01:14:21 UTC  

the romanticized view puts crusaders as a bunch of psychopaths

2019-01-29 01:14:45 UTC  

but given how rare psychopaths actually are in a population, most of them were just normal guys

2019-01-29 01:14:47 UTC  

i dont blame the crusaders, they were tools

2019-01-29 01:14:53 UTC  

i blame the religion and the pope

2019-01-29 01:14:53 UTC  

Crusaders raided villages to survive in foreign lands, not uncommon

2019-01-29 01:15:05 UTC  

if they did have to do the things that we read about, it had to screw them up as much if not more

2019-01-29 01:15:08 UTC  

@Samer acute tramatic stress disorder is different from post tramatic stress disorder

2019-01-29 01:15:08 UTC  

either starve to death or raid that village

2019-01-29 01:15:20 UTC  

"foraging" like that was normal for millennia

2019-01-29 01:15:25 UTC  

Crusaders also met people in melee, with swords, at point blank. I think that might be a bit stressful

2019-01-29 01:15:42 UTC  

Do that for a while and you might break something inside

2019-01-29 01:15:44 UTC  

Romans being the exception as they tended to actually have supply lines

2019-01-29 01:15:56 UTC  

Even til napoleonic times they relied on taking resources from the lands they advanced into

2019-01-29 01:16:00 UTC  

yet they fell

2019-01-29 01:16:12 UTC  

obvious example of france advancing into russia

2019-01-29 01:16:18 UTC  

As have every empire ever

2019-01-29 01:16:25 UTC  

France made a mistake against Russia tho

2019-01-29 01:16:28 UTC  

hence scorched earth and salted earth retreat methods

2019-01-29 01:16:34 UTC  

"In enemy land always advance"

2019-01-29 01:16:59 UTC  

And its all enemy land

2019-01-29 01:17:02 UTC  

Napoleon was a vastly superior tactician to all his enemies, he could defeat them if his army was alive

2019-01-29 01:17:26 UTC  

until his army starved in the russian winter he was still favoured

2019-01-29 01:17:27 UTC  

Never underestimate russian winters though