Message from @Blackhawk342
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social justice is even worse
He made the case that when you try to eradicate religion from society, it comes back in manifestations you wouldn't expect. I.E. social justice. I laid in bed thinking about that for hours last night.
Hence why sjws label me a bad person for not believing the gospel
because it has the one-two punch of original sin *and* no redemption path
There is one
It is very much dogmatic and filled with people trying to get more offended more than the other nowadays.
Become intersectional
What do you guys think of that claim though?
I had this exact conversation with a group recently. The removal of religion in such a haphazard manner has left a philosophical hole in our society
Did it?
but we didn't do anything to replace it with anything good
Exactly man
so people fill it with whatever nonsense they can glom onto
Like maybe until mankind becomes evolved enough, we need religion to prevent that kind of dogmatism from manifesting in other ideologies
I have a lot of religion surrounding me I guess so I didn't notice
So I guess that's why Indonesia doesn't have this kind of problem in terms of SJWs.
That's fucking crazy to think about isn't it
It's like ideological compromise or something
(And also because communism is a felony here )
Its not a compromise so much as a need
People have to feel that they are part of something bigger than themselves according to the hirearchy of needs
Well you're recognizing the need via compromise
It's both
not really. When you force change at a pace faster than society can naturally accept without making an effort to mitigate what you just did you wind up with this kind of thing
Agreed
People are going to dogmatize something, it might as well be religion
@Der Kommissar so is atheism though
Forcing people to abandon religion is also morally wrong
Eh, morals
effectively
Like societies tend to get more progressive as they age, but in the last twenty or so years, it's accelerated to the point that we're making progress faster than society at large can absorb
I avoid moral arguments if necessary, those can get really abstract
so things are getting weird
like running down a steep hill at full speed
*expressing* that you're an atheist can easily bring a five-year prison term
at a certain point you're going to lose it and eat shit. Yes you're going fast and moving forward, but you also risk face planting it
@yearspastmatter but you can write one of the many religions in the id card but never attend the written religion
But yeah
But yeah, the human condition is inherently flawed, so I'd say the most effective method would be to compromize with dogmatism rather than try to eradicate it
Telling people that you're an atheist is also a felony in Indonesia
Yeah, Atheists have been fucked with a ton