Message from @Ranko

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2019-01-31 06:33:30 UTC  

I would probably not act then.

2019-01-31 06:33:47 UTC  

or at least take the specific action of throwing a switch.

2019-01-31 06:34:30 UTC  

Unless I had some reason to.

2019-01-31 06:34:33 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/540419599380905995/Screenshot_2019-01-30-12-23-36.png

2019-01-31 06:34:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/540419619777675265/Screenshot_2019-01-30-12-23-42.png

2019-01-31 06:34:55 UTC  

Can't i just kill all 6. With the train.

2019-01-31 06:35:20 UTC  

That way no one will @ me for not saving the others

2019-01-31 06:35:41 UTC  

And I'll just say that i couldn't save any of them in time.

2019-01-31 06:37:13 UTC  

Although one can just act like he didn't see it, like most people do with problems in life

2019-01-31 06:37:28 UTC  

Not sure how it's a problem.

2019-01-31 06:39:18 UTC  

Families coming @ ya blaming ya for their son/father/husband's death/s is something I'd rather not deal with or explain. @Paradox

2019-01-31 06:39:30 UTC  

see, if i were a bogus mind and trauma reader with a phd and you were telling me this on a couch, i'd say that you base your morality not on an inner innate sense but on the perception that you have from society's norms and expectations. then i'd make you pay $200 for the hour session

2019-01-31 06:39:33 UTC  

Assuming all the tied up people have family and friends.

2019-01-31 06:40:07 UTC  

If i had a 200$ on me i wouldn't be on discord.

2019-01-31 06:40:57 UTC  

ya, see that doesn't matter, the families whining. What matters is the goal. You can't say whether it's over priced if you don't know what it is.

2019-01-31 06:41:29 UTC  

Another qs comes to mind is who are the people on the rails

2019-01-31 06:41:47 UTC  

Which could effect most people's choice.

2019-01-31 06:41:52 UTC  

doesn't matter unless it changes the goal.

2019-01-31 06:42:12 UTC  

the goal is to make the most moral choice

2019-01-31 06:42:49 UTC  

then that is to not interfere.

2019-01-31 06:43:04 UTC  

that's your choice

2019-01-31 06:43:12 UTC  

yes, if that's the goal.

2019-01-31 06:43:22 UTC  

The train problem is about whether you are a utilitarian.
The train is already going to kill people, would you kill a single person to stop it?

2019-01-31 06:44:01 UTC  

Utilitarianism isn't a bad thing, btw. It's s perfectly rational view on life and society

2019-01-31 06:45:48 UTC  

What bothers me about utilarianism that sometimes people will make a worse choice in favour of the bigger group?

2019-01-31 06:45:51 UTC  

both choices are logical and rational

2019-01-31 06:46:04 UTC  

I disagree.

2019-01-31 06:46:07 UTC  

that's what makes it great

2019-01-31 06:46:13 UTC  

Without more information.

2019-01-31 06:46:36 UTC  

Conflicting between THE GREATER GOOD and Individual rights

2019-01-31 06:46:39 UTC  

there is no point wasting resources on something that wont produce anything in the future

2019-01-31 06:46:42 UTC  

right?

2019-01-31 06:47:17 UTC  

@Samer that's the problem. By killing the single person, you're basically becoming a murderer, disrespecting his right to life

2019-01-31 06:47:47 UTC  

That's why a lot of people don't like utilitarianism, even though it seems perfect on the surface

2019-01-31 06:47:59 UTC  

Hell if i care.

2019-01-31 06:48:00 UTC  

how does utilarianism works with disabled people from birth

2019-01-31 06:48:16 UTC  

Even disabled people can be of value

2019-01-31 06:48:18 UTC  

I live in a place were people piss on these rights uknoe.

2019-01-31 06:48:22 UTC  

Your inaction makes that five people die instead of one, four more than if you had switched the lever but the same number as if you weren't there in the first place

2019-01-31 06:49:00 UTC  

people die

2019-01-31 06:49:07 UTC  

both are perfect