Message from @Kibec

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2019-01-31 06:43:04 UTC  

that's your choice

2019-01-31 06:43:12 UTC  

yes, if that's the goal.

2019-01-31 06:43:22 UTC  

The train problem is about whether you are a utilitarian.
The train is already going to kill people, would you kill a single person to stop it?

2019-01-31 06:44:01 UTC  

Utilitarianism isn't a bad thing, btw. It's s perfectly rational view on life and society

2019-01-31 06:45:48 UTC  

What bothers me about utilarianism that sometimes people will make a worse choice in favour of the bigger group?

2019-01-31 06:45:51 UTC  

both choices are logical and rational

2019-01-31 06:46:04 UTC  

I disagree.

2019-01-31 06:46:07 UTC  

that's what makes it great

2019-01-31 06:46:13 UTC  

Without more information.

2019-01-31 06:46:36 UTC  

Conflicting between THE GREATER GOOD and Individual rights

2019-01-31 06:46:39 UTC  

there is no point wasting resources on something that wont produce anything in the future

2019-01-31 06:46:42 UTC  

right?

2019-01-31 06:47:17 UTC  

@Samer that's the problem. By killing the single person, you're basically becoming a murderer, disrespecting his right to life

2019-01-31 06:47:47 UTC  

That's why a lot of people don't like utilitarianism, even though it seems perfect on the surface

2019-01-31 06:47:59 UTC  

Hell if i care.

2019-01-31 06:48:00 UTC  

how does utilarianism works with disabled people from birth

2019-01-31 06:48:16 UTC  

Even disabled people can be of value

2019-01-31 06:48:18 UTC  

I live in a place were people piss on these rights uknoe.

2019-01-31 06:48:22 UTC  

Your inaction makes that five people die instead of one, four more than if you had switched the lever but the same number as if you weren't there in the first place

2019-01-31 06:49:00 UTC  

people die

2019-01-31 06:49:07 UTC  

both are perfect

2019-01-31 06:49:42 UTC  

like that kid who took the one person so it would be 6 and killed them all

2019-01-31 06:50:04 UTC  

I am only responsible for my actions.

2019-01-31 06:50:22 UTC  

not acting is also your responsability

2019-01-31 06:50:48 UTC  

No.

2019-01-31 06:50:49 UTC  

It's just sometimes the utilarian action isn't the best to increase your chances of survival/the well being of a group.

2019-01-31 06:51:09 UTC  

Negligence (Lat. negligentia) is a failure to exercise appropriate and or ethical ruled care expected to be exercised amongst specified circumstances. The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by failing to act as a form of carelessness possibly with extenuating circumstances.

2019-01-31 06:51:16 UTC  

well no because feelings and morale

2019-01-31 06:52:09 UTC  

I also disagree that abortion should be legal.

2019-01-31 06:52:56 UTC  

well feminism made it legal and we know that they are cancer for society soo it shouldnt

2019-01-31 06:53:02 UTC  

It's just that there is son many things that can make you change your mind and be taken into account after knowing who these people are.

2019-01-31 06:53:09 UTC  

we should be responsible for our actions

2019-01-31 06:53:13 UTC  

In the train thing.

2019-01-31 06:53:36 UTC  

it is best to not know the people

2019-01-31 06:53:42 UTC  

who will die

2019-01-31 06:54:03 UTC  

However, usually negligence is dependant on actions, not inactions.

2019-01-31 06:54:37 UTC  

Paradox

2019-01-31 06:54:37 UTC  

@Paradox like running away from a carcrash or place of accident due to shock

2019-01-31 06:54:48 UTC  

You said that you don't believe in good or evil

2019-01-31 06:54:57 UTC  

but how do you make choices that seem right

2019-01-31 06:55:00 UTC  

I don't, as they are commonly considered.