not more... a fuckton more

then they're both just as bad

but Stalin DID kill more

so he's worse

Why are we discussing hypotheticals?

lol

@EndangeredProdigy Wow so the only difference between Hitler and Stalin is the amount of kills otherwise they are the same?

so what are you saying then?

I'm interested in your point of view

nah hitler had more evil thoughts

holodomor ffs... they BOTH did genocides, stalin's was both equal in it's atrocities AND massively bigger

and he was likely jerking off to the people dying

I'm saying all things being equal....genocide and ethnic supremacy is much worst then indiscriminate killing

no it's not

@Kelz it took multiple nations to take down hitler, but it was well known. The Stalin element, it got underreported, no concern, and it took it's own nation to overthrow it.

killing is bad regardless of the context

@EndangeredProdigy I'm saying all things being equal....genocide and ethnic supremacy is much worst then indiscriminate killing

I heard you the first time

I said no it's not

killing is bad regardless of the context

@EndangeredProdigy Context matters...thats why we have premeditated murder..crime of passion involuntary etc

involuntary is totally different than murder

and crime of passion vs premeditated is bullshit

@Kelz I disagree with you. First because Stalin was not "indiscriminate." He murdered his enemies the same as Hitler. Second, if you think the reasons someone murders people by the millions makes a difference then I fear your desire to give Stalin a pass has warped your judgement.

The main issue between hitler and Stalin, is the preferential treatment to communism establishment media gave it, that allowed many more deaths to happen.

@EndangeredProdigy How so...Alot of people were killed thru starvation....that sounds like government negligence thru government planning (communism)

so your excusing mao creating famines that killed 200 million chinese for not being 'ethnic supremacy' because at least it wasn't as bad as the 11 million halocaust victims

Stalin starved them on purpose

it wasn't an accident

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When you are taking about tens and hundreds of thousands dead does it matter who is worse?

It was the Americans that tried to save the Ukranians

They are both abhorrent

Thank you Americans

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

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@CasualSailor Yes it does matter......Stalin killed people who he thought were betraying him and killing people for reasons such as self defense etc is a big difference from genociding people based on nothing but their race

Can you do the whole saving thing again? @Khanclansith

"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."

@Kelz

stalin saw all living beings as betraying him