How to like with the ISS?

because, like i already said, if the ISS is a small slow low tethered balloon or hologram, then what does that have to do with 'satelites'?

Why can you not see the balloon?

Because we just established that those theories are less likely than it being a satellite.

because it's covered with lights?

Indeed by probability they are

@Thinky how to observe the small satellites (KH-11, KH-12) like the iss, there are multiple article of how can you see the iss and videos. i was just wondering if this was also the case for the KH-11, KH-12

KH-11 and KH-12 are spy satellites

Because the size and speed dont add up with it being a balloon or plane.

the fact that you don't think they'd be able to disguise a balloon as something else with all the tech at their disposal in this day and age is a bit worrysome

Knowledge about them was very limited until a few months ago.

A balloon requires an extended bit to maintain COG

Without that

It starts spinning

The only thing that happened with KH satellites recently was the failure of that Arab rocket

we've already talked about the size and speed, and you kinda agreed, so not sure what you going on about still

Was it Iraq

the KH-11, KH-12 aren't observable?

They have been tracked by amateurs

@Superiorna_Artiljerija Are there any articles or evidence that suggests how to track them?

they are obviously a much more complex type of balloon, i mean remember we're talking billions of dollars here i doubt it'd be a simple balloon only

telemetry

https://media.techeblog.com/images/amateur_astronomer.jpg

@Superiorna_Artiljerija Specifically, Iran, and now we know what a Keyhole photo looks like

It was a fair bit of a blunder

Why is a balloon that costs a billion more likely than a machine construct esp since it goes too fast for a balloon?

But one that is all the same interesting

That's not enough for me, there's an ISS tracker which you can observe it. Is there the same evidence for the ISS as the KH-11, KH-12?

There is.

you said earlier on that it was moving way slow

Too slow for a plane

A plane below LEO

Parallax

Because in actuality it is far faster than a plane

how can you tell how fast it's moving if you don't know it's size nor it's height?

I cant track planes with my 8" scope. I can track the Goodyear blimp however.

At least a normal aircraft

You can track planes at high enough of an altitude

That is actually rather simple trigonometry

Trigonometry