https://www.aulis.com/investigation5.htm

So can you honestly tell if that is taking off from the moon or is it a model?

I can't tell, i don't know for certain but that doesn't mean its faked

It looks like it begins to tilt over later in flight to burn prograde

The flight plan is precalculated

and the camera controls were preprogramed

if the flight path is known its not overwhelmingly difficult to figure out where the ascent module will be from a given position

The gif shows the craft isnt really going up

The problem with debunking this is you disagree with the general consensus, so what evidence can i use that you will accept

Its just made to look like that

Look at all the evidence

it does initally, then it would burn perpendicular to the ground

i would have to look at the flight plan to be sure however

I only have to be right once. You have to be right every time

do you know the basics of orbital mechanics?

So many things with apollo

to get into a orbit it needs to accelerate perpendicular to the ground

Which they dont

Gtg for a bit

ok

also it wouldn't burn exactly perpendicular to the ground, especially near the start

it would be a higher angle so it gains altitude as well

so i found the article that gif came from
https://www.aulis.com/apollo17_ascent.htm

Its impressive looking, but i don't think its exactly proof

firstly who is the author, Julius A. Birch. I can't find anything about them except this article on aulis online

secondly there are several assumptions within it and i can not verify their work

@Cakeeater Orbital mechanics don't work if there is no round body to orbit around, therefore Apollo missions are just shams.

get back to work

@Cakeeater Are you his taskmaster or something?

its complicated

I'm trying to explain to my friend that he shouldn't blindly trust in globeheads. However, he keeps asking me to show him evidence, but doesn't accept anything I show him. What are some more "legitimate" things I could show him?

he wants my attention

beyond official sources such as NASA no idea, maybe disprove counter points

YouTube has plenty of independent researchers trying to spread the truth.

I personally don't trust NASA, but believe we are living on a globe.

Well like he's looking for something like NASA, with the same level of "officialness." Is there any sort of alternative that I could show to someone really set in their belief?

Or is it just a lost cause?

Lost cause unless you can convince them without NASA

Like

Well The Onion is a reputable news source that has reported on it before

The onion?