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Hi

Hi

@Flat Earth PhD I did some quick research on the camera tracking
Apollo 17 was not the first time it was done, just the first time it worked correctly. Apollo 15 and 16 did the same thing however in 15 the tilt mechanism did not work leading to not tracking https://youtu.be/BMBcLg0DkLA?t=50

In Apollo 16 the rover was parked to close and did not get as good of a shot https://youtu.be/yn1S-flYkaQ?t=8

please

I was born in the day....but it wasn't yesterday

I think the timing was pre programed on the rover using maths to figure out the correct distances and angles, timing etc and triggered by a command from earth

https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/leaving-moon-watching-home

https://io9.gizmodo.com/how-nasa-captured-this-iconic-footage-of-apollo-17-leav-1671650186?IR=T

here is the articles i used

it was only quick research

do you have a counter argument?

@Cakeeater yes

Its a matter of assuming

Either its fake or not fake

Therebis evidence to suggest its just a model

https://www.aulis.com/investigation5.htm

So can you honestly tell if that is taking off from the moon or is it a model?

I can't tell, i don't know for certain but that doesn't mean its faked

It looks like it begins to tilt over later in flight to burn prograde

The flight plan is precalculated

and the camera controls were preprogramed

if the flight path is known its not overwhelmingly difficult to figure out where the ascent module will be from a given position

The gif shows the craft isnt really going up

The problem with debunking this is you disagree with the general consensus, so what evidence can i use that you will accept

Its just made to look like that

Look at all the evidence

it does initally, then it would burn perpendicular to the ground

i would have to look at the flight plan to be sure however

I only have to be right once. You have to be right every time

do you know the basics of orbital mechanics?

So many things with apollo

to get into a orbit it needs to accelerate perpendicular to the ground

Which they dont

Gtg for a bit

ok

also it wouldn't burn exactly perpendicular to the ground, especially near the start

it would be a higher angle so it gains altitude as well

so i found the article that gif came from
https://www.aulis.com/apollo17_ascent.htm

Its impressive looking, but i don't think its exactly proof

firstly who is the author, Julius A. Birch. I can't find anything about them except this article on aulis online