Message from @Drewski4343

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2020-02-22 04:42:49 UTC  

I completely agree with you about denying authority. Modern humans would not be where they are today without appealing to authority.

2020-02-22 04:43:19 UTC  

I think the question there is, however...

2020-02-22 04:43:21 UTC  

But you are nitpicking debate tactics here.

2020-02-22 04:43:27 UTC  

To what degree is it acceptable to appeal to authority?

2020-02-22 04:43:41 UTC  

Eh, nitpicking is my specialty, as in this case I think it holds valid meaning.

2020-02-22 04:43:52 UTC  

If we refuse appeals to authority of any magnitude, we refuse everything.

2020-02-22 04:45:27 UTC  

for some reason observable only means "observable with the resources i immediately have access to", which doesn't make sense. It's pretty clear the level of wealth needed to observe some of these phenomena is actually possesed by people alive today

2020-02-22 04:45:47 UTC  

Something like a black hole though? Yeah a true skeptic may never see "observable" evidence

2020-02-22 04:46:09 UTC  

because no one really has good enough resourceses to fly out and see one or something, and likely no one ever will

2020-02-22 04:46:33 UTC  

Well, if you could fly out there and see one...you're probably already in it.

2020-02-22 04:46:38 UTC  

Does anyone here think the earth is flat, cause it’s round

2020-02-22 04:46:38 UTC  

And seeing would be rather hard.

2020-02-22 04:46:46 UTC  

Plenty do.

2020-02-22 04:46:54 UTC  

But, most of them are asleep right now.

2020-02-22 04:46:56 UTC  

I'd disagree with that. It's not one or the other. I'm not a flat earther, but I can understand a flat earther finding it hard to believe that satellites adjust for time dilation because there is *basically* no way to confirm this for ourselves other than trusting an authority. You can compare this to something like, "I used a telescope to check my claim, here's a picture I took". There is a difference.

2020-02-22 04:47:10 UTC  

basically no way to confirm, given my resources yes

2020-02-22 04:47:36 UTC  

Well, it doesn't really change much though if it is true or not.

2020-02-22 04:47:45 UTC  

You know some people don’t believe in gravity

2020-02-22 04:47:49 UTC  

Yes.

2020-02-22 04:47:51 UTC  

Check above.

2020-02-22 04:48:02 UTC  

most flat earthers do not believe in gravity.

2020-02-22 04:48:30 UTC  

What’s keeping us from floating up into the stratosphere

2020-02-22 04:48:39 UTC  

I'm not sure I'd say most, but the most public ones, I'd agree.

2020-02-22 04:48:43 UTC  

They argue it is density.

2020-02-22 04:48:55 UTC  

Most flat earthers don't believe in Newton's laws if you push them hard enough

2020-02-22 04:48:57 UTC  

Density of what

2020-02-22 04:49:06 UTC  

Relative density / buoyancy.

2020-02-22 04:49:10 UTC  

Ask the Flat Earthers, not me.

2020-02-22 04:49:10 UTC  

they think propulsion in space is impossible lol

2020-02-22 04:49:15 UTC  

of the object in the medium.

2020-02-22 04:49:16 UTC  

(some do)

2020-02-22 04:49:38 UTC  

Well, you know what the more scientific term for Relative Density is, right?

2020-02-22 04:50:20 UTC  

haha specific gravity?

2020-02-22 04:50:21 UTC  

Also, of note, Buoyancy and Relative Density are two entirely different things.

2020-02-22 04:50:23 UTC  

Yep.

2020-02-22 04:50:40 UTC  

Relative Density doesn't even have units

2020-02-22 04:50:43 UTC  

Because it is a ratio

2020-02-22 04:50:52 UTC  

On its own, it isn't a force or anything.

2020-02-22 04:51:00 UTC  

And on its own it does nothing to hold down matter.

2020-02-22 04:51:16 UTC  

Buoyancy, is a bit more rational, but of course there are reasons why that flounders too.

2020-02-22 04:51:19 UTC  

But that's my two cents.