Message from @Koninos

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2020-03-05 20:53:54 UTC  

It's not obvious how killing other people, mentally hurting their society, friends, family, and causing negative feelings to another is a bad thing?

2020-03-05 20:53:58 UTC  
2020-03-05 20:54:09 UTC  

So it may be obvious to me as a westerner that killing is wrong but in a different context it would not be

2020-03-05 20:54:16 UTC  

It is obviously immoral.

2020-03-05 20:54:24 UTC  

Ok so what defines immorality?

2020-03-05 20:55:07 UTC  

The people, their cultures, their religions, etc. But murder is the most common immoral thing in all cultures, religions, and all people agree with that, put aside mentally ill people.

2020-03-05 20:55:13 UTC  

And of course sometimes killing is justified.

2020-03-05 20:55:22 UTC  

But the killing which comes with Imperialism isn't.

2020-03-05 20:55:26 UTC  

So is killing actually immoral or not?

2020-03-05 20:55:32 UTC  

It's immoral.

2020-03-05 20:55:35 UTC  

Why

2020-03-05 20:55:40 UTC  

I said why.

2020-03-05 20:55:49 UTC  

No you said that people find it to be immoral

2020-03-05 20:56:00 UTC  

> It's not obvious how killing other people, mentally hurting their society, friends, family, and causing negative feelings to another is a bad thing?

2020-03-05 20:56:22 UTC  

I understand that people are conditioned by their societies to believe in certain ways but I believe the both of us to be able to go above that conditioning and discuss morality objectively

2020-03-05 20:56:41 UTC  

So what makes killing morally wrong?

2020-03-05 20:56:57 UTC  

There is no objective morality, unless we insert the presence of a higher being and its rules.

2020-03-05 20:57:02 UTC  

Right

2020-03-05 20:57:07 UTC  

So imperialism isn't immoral

2020-03-05 20:57:13 UTC  

because morality doesn't exist

2020-03-05 20:57:14 UTC  

And again, I answered that question.

> The people, their cultures, their religions, etc. But murder is the most common immoral thing in all cultures, religions, and all people agree with that, put aside mentally ill people.

2020-03-05 20:57:15 UTC  

It is.

2020-03-05 20:57:21 UTC  

Morality does exist.

2020-03-05 20:57:29 UTC  

Morality being subjective doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

2020-03-05 20:57:29 UTC  

Murder is wrong but killing in itself is not always wrong

2020-03-05 20:57:34 UTC  

Ok but without something objective "right" and "wrong" can't exist

2020-03-05 20:57:48 UTC  

It can exist, but it's just subjective.

2020-03-05 20:57:51 UTC  

Just like beauty.

2020-03-05 20:57:56 UTC  

You can't say beauty doesn't exist.

2020-03-05 20:58:03 UTC  

You obviously believe that your morality is true enough that it ought to be followed

2020-03-05 20:58:15 UTC  

So I am simply asking why

2020-03-05 20:58:38 UTC  

I explained why.

2020-03-05 20:58:48 UTC  

No, you didn't.

2020-03-05 20:58:54 UTC  

> It's not obvious how killing other people, mentally hurting their society, friends, family, and causing negative feelings to another is a bad thing?

2020-03-05 20:58:58 UTC  

Stop playing the why game with me.

2020-03-05 20:59:13 UTC  

You think it's common sense but that doesn't explain why a certain act is "wrong"

2020-03-05 20:59:16 UTC  

But you said morality is subjective

2020-03-05 20:59:23 UTC  

Yes.

2020-03-05 20:59:27 UTC  

If I’m an imperialist

2020-03-05 20:59:39 UTC  

In my interpretation of morality, Imperialism is wrong.

2020-03-05 20:59:52 UTC  

So why then should I adopt your view on morality?