Message from @Oboe

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2020-03-05 20:56:41 UTC  

So what makes killing morally wrong?

2020-03-05 20:56:57 UTC  

There is no objective morality, unless we insert the presence of a higher being and its rules.

2020-03-05 20:57:02 UTC  

Right

2020-03-05 20:57:07 UTC  

So imperialism isn't immoral

2020-03-05 20:57:13 UTC  

because morality doesn't exist

2020-03-05 20:57:14 UTC  

And again, I answered that question.

> The people, their cultures, their religions, etc. But murder is the most common immoral thing in all cultures, religions, and all people agree with that, put aside mentally ill people.

2020-03-05 20:57:15 UTC  

It is.

2020-03-05 20:57:21 UTC  

Morality does exist.

2020-03-05 20:57:29 UTC  

Morality being subjective doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

2020-03-05 20:57:29 UTC  

Murder is wrong but killing in itself is not always wrong

2020-03-05 20:57:34 UTC  

Ok but without something objective "right" and "wrong" can't exist

2020-03-05 20:57:48 UTC  

It can exist, but it's just subjective.

2020-03-05 20:57:51 UTC  

Just like beauty.

2020-03-05 20:57:56 UTC  

You can't say beauty doesn't exist.

2020-03-05 20:58:03 UTC  

You obviously believe that your morality is true enough that it ought to be followed

2020-03-05 20:58:15 UTC  

So I am simply asking why

2020-03-05 20:58:38 UTC  

I explained why.

2020-03-05 20:58:48 UTC  

No, you didn't.

2020-03-05 20:58:54 UTC  

> It's not obvious how killing other people, mentally hurting their society, friends, family, and causing negative feelings to another is a bad thing?

2020-03-05 20:58:58 UTC  

Stop playing the why game with me.

2020-03-05 20:59:13 UTC  

You think it's common sense but that doesn't explain why a certain act is "wrong"

2020-03-05 20:59:16 UTC  

But you said morality is subjective

2020-03-05 20:59:23 UTC  

Yes.

2020-03-05 20:59:27 UTC  

If I’m an imperialist

2020-03-05 20:59:39 UTC  

In my interpretation of morality, Imperialism is wrong.

2020-03-05 20:59:52 UTC  

So why then should I adopt your view on morality?

2020-03-05 20:59:59 UTC  

I think it’s okay to kill a group in a territory I control is ok

2020-03-05 21:00:05 UTC  

Now which interpretation morality is the best can be concluded by the benefits each one has.

2020-03-05 21:00:10 UTC  

And there’s nothing wrong with that

2020-03-05 21:00:12 UTC  

Because it has many benefits.

2020-03-05 21:00:55 UTC  

What are they?

2020-03-05 21:02:35 UTC  

Many, but the primary one, is a larger population of people, living peacefully, which can ensure social and economic development/assistance, and assistance/development in many other sectors. Imperialism straight up destroys this development in order for the state and the people living within the state before the expansions, to have a better quality of life, or for any other reason.

2020-03-05 21:03:49 UTC  

Ok but let's say that at some point it would be to my advantage to act in an imperialist manner, would you say that as long as I can assure my victory over an opposing group that it would be wrong to invade and overtake them?

2020-03-05 21:04:28 UTC  

Yes it would be wrong. You can antagonise that group in many other ways.

2020-03-05 21:05:07 UTC  

Why should I?

2020-03-05 21:05:27 UTC  

Because it won't hurt people, their communities and the societies they belong to.

2020-03-05 21:05:53 UTC  

Alright so why would hurting those people matter if I can destroy them?

2020-03-05 21:06:15 UTC  

Because their existence gives you more benefits than their absence.

2020-03-05 21:06:29 UTC  

If you don't want to go with what's moral and what's not (in my opinion)

2020-03-05 21:06:50 UTC  

Well I don't think that such a standard would really work in every case

2020-03-05 21:07:37 UTC  

Their existence would be detrimental to the state only of the state is incompetent.