Message from @Aaronnn123
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> That's right wing corperate libertarianism
@Aaronnn123
what's left wing libertarianism then?
Left wing libertarianism is incoherent then lol
since libertarianism relies on individualism
Well there is no absence of other individuals. That's the thing
Libertarianism was originally a left wing ideology
That's not really relevant?
I swear somebody explained ancom to me once and I felt like I was talking with a stoned hippy
No one claimed there is absence of other individuals
This is methodological individualism
Well ancom are dumb
how is ancom different from left wing libertarianism?
in both cases there is no state
This is methodological individualism, and only by methodological individuals can one justify the philosophy of "dont use force unless im the initiator"
1. The collective cannot act
2. Only the individual can act
3 therefore we can only make analyses' of human nature in reference to the state of man in individualistic form, seperate from the collective
Without this, you literally cannot justify the foundation of individualism which is the NAP
Other lib left ideologies, decisions are made by local communities through direct democracy or electing people to very specific roles (spokesperson, army general ect), this is opposed to the state where all the decisions are made by a few people who may or may not be elected
Why do you reject methodological individualism as a ""libertarian""
At the end of the day, lib left is against one person having dominance over another
I don't reject it, it's just a different type of libertarian to me
Which is always inevitable
Its not a different type of libertarian
Its not an ideology in and of itself, its a tenet of an ideology
its an analysis on how should we establish natural law of man
Libertarianism is not exclusively individualist
Fascists believe it should be done in reference to the collective state of the nation, which is manifest as the state
Communists believe it should be done in reference to materialism
Libertarians believe it should be done in reference to the state of man in absence of all other "entities" and their interventions
Without methodalogical individualism you cannot justify the NAP
Huh
Why
Because only thru methodological individualism is the idea of non intervention derived
Well people tend to voluntarily choose to work as a collective
That's why you give to charity
That's why people work as groups
Ok? I never denied that, so that's quite irrelevant to my point
That's why people join unions
That's not why people join unions lol, but besides the point
They join to work as a collective to strive for better rights
No, they join as a collective not because its a collective but because as a collective they're more efficient at forcing the capitalist to subject to their interests
but again besides the point
I challenge you to justify non intervention without methodological individualism
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