No, that's libertarianism in general, rejection of all application of force upon a non violent entity. This can only be valid if you accept natural law of libertarianism, which states that "in absence of all other entities, an individual is free of force and is able to transform the nature around him into property"

This was outlined in one of Mises' books on natural law, and a few other popular libertarian works

If you reject that analysis, I'm interested to see what your justification for that is?

> That's right wing corperate libertarianism
@Aaronnn123
what's left wing libertarianism then?

Left wing libertarianism is incoherent then lol

since libertarianism relies on individualism

Well there is no absence of other individuals. That's the thing

Libertarianism was originally a left wing ideology

That's not really relevant?

I swear somebody explained ancom to me once and I felt like I was talking with a stoned hippy

No one claimed there is absence of other individuals

This is methodological individualism

Well ancom are dumb

how is ancom different from left wing libertarianism?

in both cases there is no state

This is methodological individualism, and only by methodological individuals can one justify the philosophy of "dont use force unless im the initiator"

1. The collective cannot act
2. Only the individual can act
3 therefore we can only make analyses' of human nature in reference to the state of man in individualistic form, seperate from the collective

Without this, you literally cannot justify the foundation of individualism which is the NAP

Other lib left ideologies, decisions are made by local communities through direct democracy or electing people to very specific roles (spokesperson, army general ect), this is opposed to the state where all the decisions are made by a few people who may or may not be elected

Why do you reject methodological individualism as a ""libertarian""

At the end of the day, lib left is against one person having dominance over another

I don't reject it, it's just a different type of libertarian to me

Which is always inevitable

Its not a different type of libertarian

Libertarianism, like authoritarianism are broad categories

Its not an ideology in and of itself, its a tenet of an ideology

its an analysis on how should we establish natural law of man

Libertarianism is not exclusively individualist

Fascists believe it should be done in reference to the collective state of the nation, which is manifest as the state
Communists believe it should be done in reference to materialism

Libertarians believe it should be done in reference to the state of man in absence of all other "entities" and their interventions

Without methodalogical individualism you cannot justify the NAP

Huh

Why

Because only thru methodological individualism is the idea of non intervention derived

Well people tend to voluntarily choose to work as a collective

That's why you give to charity

That's why people work as groups

Ok? I never denied that, so that's quite irrelevant to my point

That's why people join unions

That's not why people join unions lol, but besides the point

They join to work as a collective to strive for better rights

No, they join as a collective not because its a collective but because as a collective they're more efficient at forcing the capitalist to subject to their interests