Message from @Aaronnn123
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Saints are saints because they have remained ethical thru out their entire life
For example
However, last century, governments killed 1/15 people from democide and war, even more from shitty economic policy and thing like Chernobyl, I think we'd be better off if governance was run by the community instead of a large state
Are you saying saints never do anything wrong?
They wouldn't be saints if they occassionally indulged in sin lol
That's what makes them saints, full rejection of sin and full dedication to Christ
Well that's a subjective interpretation of ethics
Yeah but that's irrelevant
But anyway, I'm interested in Materialism and why you think materialistic individualism is a valid philosophy. Or do you just believe in methodological individualism?
I don't believe in individualism, why do you think that?
I said communities should make decisions instead of centralised states
Well you're a libertarian, that's why I assumed it
That's right wing corperate libertarianism
I don't buy into that
No, that's libertarianism in general, rejection of all application of force upon a non violent entity. This can only be valid if you accept natural law of libertarianism, which states that "in absence of all other entities, an individual is free of force and is able to transform the nature around him into property"
This was outlined in one of Mises' books on natural law, and a few other popular libertarian works
If you reject that analysis, I'm interested to see what your justification for that is?
> That's right wing corperate libertarianism
@Aaronnn123
what's left wing libertarianism then?
Left wing libertarianism is incoherent then lol
since libertarianism relies on individualism
Libertarianism was originally a left wing ideology
That's not really relevant?
I swear somebody explained ancom to me once and I felt like I was talking with a stoned hippy
No one claimed there is absence of other individuals
This is methodological individualism
Well ancom are dumb
how is ancom different from left wing libertarianism?
in both cases there is no state
This is methodological individualism, and only by methodological individuals can one justify the philosophy of "dont use force unless im the initiator"
1. The collective cannot act
2. Only the individual can act
3 therefore we can only make analyses' of human nature in reference to the state of man in individualistic form, seperate from the collective
Without this, you literally cannot justify the foundation of individualism which is the NAP
Other lib left ideologies, decisions are made by local communities through direct democracy or electing people to very specific roles (spokesperson, army general ect), this is opposed to the state where all the decisions are made by a few people who may or may not be elected
Why do you reject methodological individualism as a ""libertarian""
At the end of the day, lib left is against one person having dominance over another
I don't reject it, it's just a different type of libertarian to me
Which is always inevitable
Its not a different type of libertarian
Libertarianism, like authoritarianism are broad categories
Its not an ideology in and of itself, its a tenet of an ideology
its an analysis on how should we establish natural law of man
Libertarianism is not exclusively individualist