Message from @Ronin

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2020-03-19 20:57:20 UTC  

x(

2020-03-19 20:57:21 UTC  

Maybe if it was done correctly?

2020-03-19 20:57:25 UTC  

x)

2020-03-19 20:57:34 UTC  

Not make it too obvious

2020-03-19 20:57:35 UTC  

it can be done but it needs to be subtle and not in your face.
Thing is that most current writers work it in and come up with a story second.

2020-03-19 20:58:09 UTC  

honestly ngl i support child molestation legalization

2020-03-19 20:58:24 UTC  

Average democrat^

2020-03-19 20:58:39 UTC  

Isn't that Libertarian party talking point

2020-03-19 20:59:10 UTC  

Heroine for kids

2020-03-19 20:59:46 UTC  

I can't really think of good examples but I think some classic Dr.Who (the 1963~1989 run) episodes dealt with politics.

2020-03-19 20:59:54 UTC  

I’m not playing the last of us 2 because of its views but the gayme can be fun regardless

2020-03-19 21:00:17 UTC  

Sure, I'd say watchmen was contextually woke when it first game out and by all accounts it's an excellent subversion of the superhero trope

2020-03-19 21:00:30 UTC  

I just sat through Mad Max Fury Road.
I love the setting but it was pretty in your face with "MEN BAD WOMYN STRONK" at certain points.

2020-03-19 21:01:26 UTC  

Women were slaves in the originals rigjt

2020-03-19 21:01:48 UTC  

Wamen would most definitely be slaves in that world realistically

2020-03-19 21:01:49 UTC  

Immortan Joe did nothing wrong

2020-03-19 21:03:02 UTC  

fuck I just realized that it can be seen as a criticism of feminism.
Immortan Joe build an empire in the Australian outback, and now women showed up wasting precious resources trying to be nice.

2020-03-19 21:03:06 UTC  

Woke messaging has to be in an easter egg forme

2020-03-19 21:03:31 UTC  

If it’s prevalent; then people won’t like it. People love it when they dig deep to find those “hidden” wokepills

2020-03-19 21:03:41 UTC  

^this

2020-03-19 21:04:39 UTC  

I think both Bioshock and Outer Worlds can be used as examples.
Both are critical of hyper capitalism, Bioshock worked this in subtly, you see the results of it up front while Outer Worlds keeps yelling "BIG COMPANY BAD XDXDXDXD"

2020-03-19 21:05:38 UTC  

Right.

2020-03-19 21:05:44 UTC  

Underlying meanings make shows better

2020-03-19 21:05:58 UTC  

Star Trek (Older Ones; not fucking new ones lmao)

2020-03-19 21:07:39 UTC  

I think it's also that current leftist media explores themes that are already done to death.
Racism, homophobia, xenophobia aren't really that interesting anymore.

2020-03-19 21:09:33 UTC  

Another problem is that they're shit, bioshock would work adequately without being a critique of capitalism. A lot of modern "woke" works are just political rants on a screen.

2020-03-19 21:10:04 UTC  

^this

2020-03-19 21:10:42 UTC  

I think another issue is tokenism.
How many leftist games did you play where there wasn't some sodomite worked in as one of the main cast for no good reason?

2020-03-19 21:13:30 UTC  

Exactly.

I like medeival period settings, I wanna watch lotr or some shit about an English king in the 1500s, why is there a black person here? There pretty clearly wasn't black people there in that time.

2020-03-19 21:13:47 UTC  

Maybe like a trader or two in London

2020-03-19 21:14:49 UTC  

that's more revisionism.
I'm talking about a new IP having a gay guy for no reason.
"oh this is Stevie and he's totally gay! did I mention that he's gay?"

2020-03-19 21:15:00 UTC  

Well usually that's just the gay mafia

2020-03-19 21:15:13 UTC  

same with black guys and muslims

2020-03-19 21:15:18 UTC  

Big thing in positions of power, like the Jews.
Form nepotistic cliques

2020-03-19 21:15:25 UTC  

They're usually promoted by others

2020-03-19 21:15:36 UTC  

I don't hate those groups but if you work one of them in than either make it part of the story or don't draw attention to it

2020-03-19 21:16:06 UTC  

I hate em but even if I didn't it'd be obnoxious

2020-03-19 21:16:46 UTC  

The best forms of activism feel like a fun day out.

They're trying to make fun days out into the worst parts of activism

2020-03-19 21:17:09 UTC  

I just boycot everything.
not much good media has come out in the last 20 or so years anyway

2020-03-19 21:34:13 UTC  

The majority of left wing film, series, and such is good, as long as it makes sense from a story perspective and isn't forced.

2020-03-19 21:34:19 UTC  

Political messages have to feel organic, it's very difficult to make an overt message movie that is good like say American History X . The problem with Hollywood is they are about as subtle as a 44 magnum fired indoors with their messaging. The message also has to appeal to enough of the public, modern Hollywood left wing messaging, pro trans, pro Abortion, pro globalism have a very narrow but disproportionatly loud audience.