Message from @Loki Iron Fist

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2020-03-19 21:04:39 UTC  

I think both Bioshock and Outer Worlds can be used as examples.
Both are critical of hyper capitalism, Bioshock worked this in subtly, you see the results of it up front while Outer Worlds keeps yelling "BIG COMPANY BAD XDXDXDXD"

2020-03-19 21:05:38 UTC  

Right.

2020-03-19 21:05:44 UTC  

Underlying meanings make shows better

2020-03-19 21:05:58 UTC  

Star Trek (Older Ones; not fucking new ones lmao)

2020-03-19 21:07:39 UTC  

I think it's also that current leftist media explores themes that are already done to death.
Racism, homophobia, xenophobia aren't really that interesting anymore.

2020-03-19 21:09:33 UTC  

Another problem is that they're shit, bioshock would work adequately without being a critique of capitalism. A lot of modern "woke" works are just political rants on a screen.

2020-03-19 21:10:04 UTC  

^this

2020-03-19 21:10:42 UTC  

I think another issue is tokenism.
How many leftist games did you play where there wasn't some sodomite worked in as one of the main cast for no good reason?

2020-03-19 21:13:30 UTC  

Exactly.

I like medeival period settings, I wanna watch lotr or some shit about an English king in the 1500s, why is there a black person here? There pretty clearly wasn't black people there in that time.

2020-03-19 21:13:47 UTC  

Maybe like a trader or two in London

2020-03-19 21:14:49 UTC  

that's more revisionism.
I'm talking about a new IP having a gay guy for no reason.
"oh this is Stevie and he's totally gay! did I mention that he's gay?"

2020-03-19 21:15:00 UTC  

Well usually that's just the gay mafia

2020-03-19 21:15:13 UTC  

same with black guys and muslims

2020-03-19 21:15:18 UTC  

Big thing in positions of power, like the Jews.
Form nepotistic cliques

2020-03-19 21:15:25 UTC  

They're usually promoted by others

2020-03-19 21:15:36 UTC  

I don't hate those groups but if you work one of them in than either make it part of the story or don't draw attention to it

2020-03-19 21:16:06 UTC  

I hate em but even if I didn't it'd be obnoxious

2020-03-19 21:16:46 UTC  

The best forms of activism feel like a fun day out.

They're trying to make fun days out into the worst parts of activism

2020-03-19 21:17:09 UTC  

I just boycot everything.
not much good media has come out in the last 20 or so years anyway

2020-03-19 21:34:13 UTC  

The majority of left wing film, series, and such is good, as long as it makes sense from a story perspective and isn't forced.

2020-03-19 21:34:19 UTC  

Political messages have to feel organic, it's very difficult to make an overt message movie that is good like say American History X . The problem with Hollywood is they are about as subtle as a 44 magnum fired indoors with their messaging. The message also has to appeal to enough of the public, modern Hollywood left wing messaging, pro trans, pro Abortion, pro globalism have a very narrow but disproportionatly loud audience.

2020-03-19 21:35:15 UTC  

If I were a film director, I would be able to weave it into such a way, that people would be inspired, you know by globalism for example.

2020-03-19 21:38:32 UTC  

The problem becomes what is actually inspiring to your core audience about globalism? Keep in mind that your core audience are Americans, Chinese and native Europeans in that order. With the exception of the Chinese globalism has brought nothing but problems to a majority of those audiences. To actually make a successful movie about globalism the movie can't be about globalism, it has to be abstract like the Chinese providing the missing piece of a puzzle to stop an asteroid from hitting Earth.

2020-03-19 21:41:44 UTC  

And it has to feel organic, you can't implicitly state "thank God for our open lines of communication and commerce with the Chinese", there has to be room for the audience to reach the conclusion themselves. This goes back to the lack of subtlety in Hollywood and why most get woke movies are terrible and poorly received.

2020-03-19 21:43:28 UTC  

Well, it could be about how various nations are on the brink of war, The United States and NATO against Russia and China.

When the first alien invaders land in Africa and South America, sweeping their poorly equipped armies.

So these countries set aside their differences and aid each other in battle against the alien invader, only with each other were they able to succeed. In the battles of Panama and Egypt, humanity united as as one.

2020-03-19 21:45:28 UTC  

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2020-03-19 21:48:31 UTC  

thing is that the people that still go to the movies are all left wingers or consoomers meaning that the movie will just make money on tie in products.
the people that stopped going are in the minority.

2020-03-19 21:49:10 UTC  

>The problem becomes what is actually inspiring to your core audience about globalism?
Diversity for the sake of diversity.
"my country has no culture! we're evil! all these African and Muslim nations are way better!"

2020-03-19 21:49:18 UTC  

Or perhaps a movie about an albino african boy who grows up oppressed and marked for death, so he becomes a refugee to Europe.

He's adopted by a local German family in a small village who teaches him the value of community and family, learning alot as he grows up.

After the sudden death of his foster parents he is hurt, and looks to start a new, so he moves to California. Where he has never seen such diversity, and falls in love with a Chinese boy who's parents still don't accept him for being gay and is still trying to learn English like him.

And, then at the end they get married, and adopt mexican children.

2020-03-19 21:50:49 UTC  

The name of the film: This World of Mine.

2020-03-19 21:52:27 UTC  

If I was tasked with making a movie critical of globalism I would probably make it an action movie about EU "peace keepers" tasked with essentially suppressing their own nation putting them in a situation where they either have to follow their ideals (gunning down nationalist rebels) or siding with their own people (ignoring direct orders) leaving the ending open.

2020-03-19 21:52:46 UTC  

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2020-03-19 21:53:01 UTC  

People that are inspired by diversity for the sake of diversity are a minority still. If one good thing comes out of this global pandemic it may be forcing people to re-evaluate open borders and the consequences of globalism. Especially when a bad actor like China controls so much of the supply chain.

2020-03-19 21:53:35 UTC  

good point, I think having the medical apparatus clog up with migrants will also help.

2020-03-19 21:53:53 UTC  

But that is me probably being overly optimistic, in two years people be talkin about the iPhone 20 and the latest Celeb porn leaks

2020-03-19 21:54:33 UTC  

now that I think about it, my bad movie idea with an open ending made me think of another thing about leftist media.
It tells you how and what to think and doesn't expect the reader to come up with alternative interpretations.
Like the ethnonationalist reading of Harry Potter.

2020-03-19 21:55:13 UTC  

What about a film about the first Jewish president.

2020-03-19 21:55:25 UTC  

And how they usher in peace and prosperity.

2020-03-19 21:56:40 UTC  

Or a film about a global pandemic and how Israel develops the cure.

2020-03-19 21:56:48 UTC  

Nevermind, that's actually happening.

2020-03-19 22:00:34 UTC  

I actually had plans for a novel set in the late 1970's featuring a world were the Axis won WWII and got involved in a cold war with the USSR but I never really got around to actually writing it beyond the setting.