Message from @moira

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2020-03-08 21:33:37 UTC  

You said that by virtue of being unable to "connect with people", they won't be able to get to heaven

2020-03-08 21:33:43 UTC  

Just that they’re less likely because they can’t understand emotions

2020-03-08 21:33:43 UTC  

Psychopaths fit this criteria

2020-03-08 21:33:57 UTC  

Well, they can "reason themselves into it"

2020-03-08 21:34:36 UTC  

> From a Christian standpoint, you most likely won’t get into heaven if you can’t connect to people
@moira

2020-03-08 21:35:25 UTC  

I suppose that psychopaths make an exception, since, as ofvo said, they didn't choose to be psychotic, and most of them can't connect to people.

2020-03-08 21:35:40 UTC  

Some basic principles of Christianity are love, empathy and peace

2020-03-08 21:35:56 UTC  

Salvation is not reached thru love empathy and peace lol

2020-03-08 21:35:58 UTC  

So if they're more likely to go to hell instead of heaven, because of something that they didn't choose, then God is kind of a jerk, which I refuse to accept.

2020-03-08 21:36:37 UTC  

How do you reach salvation then

2020-03-08 21:37:00 UTC  

This sounds like /religion/

2020-03-08 21:37:04 UTC  

By becoming born again

2020-03-08 21:37:15 UTC  

Which is thru a baptism, and repentance

2020-03-08 21:37:46 UTC  

But that's besides the point, I don't see how any of this is relevant to your misunderstanding of stoicism

2020-03-08 21:38:09 UTC  

@Maksim Religion and philosophy are not mutually exclusive.

2020-03-08 21:38:22 UTC  

Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.

2020-03-08 21:38:39 UTC  

When are they mutually exclussive?

2020-03-08 21:38:55 UTC  

How can a psychopath repent for sins they dont even know are wrong

2020-03-08 21:39:01 UTC  

And yeah that was drawn offtopic

2020-03-08 21:39:21 UTC  

phows a stoic going to respond to their kid if he suffers a breakup

2020-03-08 21:39:31 UTC  

or their pets death

2020-03-08 21:39:54 UTC  

The kid should be ready to face that pain. @moira

2020-03-08 21:39:57 UTC  

Theology and Philosophy are mutually exclusive

2020-03-08 21:40:01 UTC  

Because it'll make it stronger.

2020-03-08 21:40:08 UTC  

@Maksim Not always.

2020-03-08 21:40:09 UTC  

*it*

2020-03-08 21:40:29 UTC  

You're confusing epistomology with emotions. They can know that what they did was wrong, without feeling an "emotional" connection with it

2020-03-08 21:41:16 UTC  

@Koninos not what i asked

2020-03-08 21:41:23 UTC  

how is a stoic going to help him deal

2020-03-08 21:41:24 UTC  

What did you ask?

2020-03-08 21:41:26 UTC  

Kh

2020-03-08 21:41:40 UTC  

@Sentient23 That’s off topic from the original discussion

2020-03-08 21:41:44 UTC  

Well, through facing the pain.

2020-03-08 21:42:30 UTC  

Wow

2020-03-08 21:43:07 UTC  

Very helpful to an undeveloped teen going through his first heavy emotional blow

2020-03-08 21:43:27 UTC  

Dear, you either face the pain or let the pain consume you.

2020-03-08 21:43:47 UTC  

Not really

2020-03-08 21:43:50 UTC  

The way the teen will face the pain is irrelevant to the current topic, but I must ask, what do you suggest the parent does?

2020-03-08 21:43:57 UTC  

you can face the pain while still displaying it

2020-03-08 21:44:14 UTC  

Displaying it is not necessary.

2020-03-08 21:44:17 UTC  

and release of emotion also helps